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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    It's because they used the word "change". You now think ANYTHING is a change(which is true technically), except that change means to change it to something else. Not more of the SAME. People see that and immediately jump on the "that makes no sense" wagon. Instead of thinking to themselves that BECAUSE it makes no sense, they are interpreting wrong.
    Going from 1 to 2 is a change. 1 is not the same as 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    Or things like Healer Pants, Healer Head, both are the same as Scholar Myth Pieces. Pretty sure there are others as well.
    Ok I hope that is what they are doing. I wonder which stats are getting changed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevee View Post
    Going from 1 to 2 is a change. 1 is not the same as 2.
    But going from 1 to 2 is also an increase. You can use different words to indicate different meanings. You wouldn't use the word increase to indicate Crit changing to Determination. So, when you saw what they said, why didn't you ask yourself which it would be if they said only the ilvl was increasing? Why would the ilvl go up, but not the stats, when the quantity of stats on an item are based on the ilvl?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    But going from 1 to 2 is also an increase. You can use different words to indicate different meanings. You wouldn't use the word increase to indicate Crit changing to Determination. So, when you saw what they said, why didn't you ask yourself which it would be if they said only the ilvl was increasing? Why would the ilvl go up, but not the stats, when the quantity of stats on an item are based on the ilvl?
    1) I was merely pointing out how you were wrong.
    2) It was a poor choice of words for either Yoshida, or the translator.
    3) iLVL only dictates stat caps, not the literal amount of stats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevee View Post
    1) I was merely pointing out how you were wrong.
    2) It was a poor choice of words for either Yoshida, or the translator.
    3) iLVL only dictates stat caps, not the literal amount of stats.
    1) Except I really wasn't. When you think of something changing, what's more logical, changing to something else or increasing/decreasing? While both can apply, one is more logical.
    2) If it's a poor choice of words, then how come many of us understood it immediately?
    3) Actually, outside of NQ crafted gear. The amount of a given stat on an item is linked to the ilvl. And there's also likely a formula to determine the NQ stats based on ilvl as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    1) Except I really wasn't. When you think of something changing, what's more logical, changing to something else or increasing/decreasing? While both can apply, one is more logical.
    2) If it's a poor choice of words, then how come many of us understood it immediately?
    3) Actually, outside of NQ crafted gear. The amount of a given stat on an item is linked to the ilvl. And there's also likely a formula to determine the NQ stats based on ilvl as well.
    1) You are. 1 to 2 is still a change. Period. "But it's an increase/decrease." That's a change. Don't be arrogant.
    2) No, you inferred with something that agreed with your own bias.
    3) No, it isn't. iLVL determines caps, it's just a "coincidence" that they put dungeon green/blue/etc gear at the caps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevee View Post
    1) You are. 1 to 2 is still a change. Period. "But it's an increase/decrease." That's a change. Don't be arrogant.
    2) No, you inferred with something that agreed with your own bias.
    3) No, it isn't. iLVL determines caps, it's just a "coincidence" that they put dungeon green/blue/etc gear at the caps.
    Good thing pvp is comming out so you 2 can settle this... is it cross server?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevee View Post
    snip.
    Mel and me may have come a bit awkward where Mel can't take a hit, but i'm siding with Mel here.

    Increase is a form of word used here to differenate between changing and increase, yes both are fall into same context, but what is being used here is taht They are not changing the stats of STR -> DEX they are instead increasing the Paramaters of the Stats instead. Thus the increase of ilvl.

    Also you might want to look up Yoshi's intake on iLevel and why is both important to players & the Devs, is to differenate the stats that are upper level than the lower tiers.

    Which means here increasing the iLevels of Allagan Weapons from 90 to 95, the stats paramaters also increase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzapan View Post
    Good thing pvp is comming out so you 2 can settle this... is it cross server?
    I don't need to do that.

    I can go look up "change" in the dictionary, and look at any crafted item, HQ or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce View Post
    Mel and me may have come a bit awkward where Mel can't take a hit, but i'm siding with Mel here.

    Increase is a form of word used here to differenate between changing and increase, yes both are fall into same context, but what is being used here is taht They are not changing the stats of STR -> DEX they are instead increasing the Paramaters of the Stats instead. Thus the increase of ilvl.

    Also you might want to look up Yoshi's intake on iLevel and why is both important to players & the Devs, is to differenate the stats that are upper level than the lower tiers.

    Which means here increasing the iLevels of Allagan Weapons from 90 to 95, the stats paramaters also increase.
    I have made no comment on whether the stats will be increasing, or staying the same.

    Simply pointing out how that other person is wrong, and should feel bad for chastising other people when it was either Yoshida, or the translators, poor word choice.
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