How relic should have been....

[Pride]

The game has aimed at casuals. The entire design of the game is that eventually everyone can achieve the same net result in time. The only way you can make an item require 6+ months is by turning it into a grind. In which case it's not difficult to obtain but just available for someone who puts in the time. Grind does not mean skill.


By the way "Not everyone has to have the ability to get a certain piece of gear." Not arguing that. It already exists. It's called turn 5 coils which not everyone can do.

I agree, to an extent. I would love to see an extremely long quest chain, that requires both skill and a grind. When people hear that a weapon will take 6 months to get, they automatically assume it's going to be a grind and that no skill will be involved at all. This is not true.

I want an epic quest chain that requires an absurd amount of grinding, and skill based pieces. Why can't we have to collect 99 of x-resource and get a crafting component drop from say Twintania? You can incorporate both, and something that is extremely powerful should require both, skill and perseverance (Grind).

[Reslin]

I agree, to an extent. I would love to see an extremely long quest chain, that requires both skill and a grind. When people hear that a weapon will take 6 months to get, they automatically assume it's going to be a grind and that no skill will be involved at all. This is not true.

I want an epic quest chain that requires an absurd amount of grinding, and skill based pieces. Why can't we have to collect 99 of x-resource and get a crafting component drop from say Twintania? You can incorporate both, and something that is extremely powerful should require both, skill and perseverance (Grind).

No thanks. I'd rather stuff like that stay out of 14. Old school grinds belong with the dinosaurs. Personally I like the idea that the only time sinks are challenging content that remain time sinks until someone figures out how to beat them. It's been 4 months and not everyone has an allagan weapon due to the difficulty involved. That's how you design content.

Keep the two separate. Maybe have a weapon that is amazing but requires a few months of grinding but it shouldn't be the absolute best. An equal weapon then drops from a boss that's the hardest boss in the game. One would be guaranteed to get with a lot of time involved whereas the other one is quicker.. assuming you're good enough.

[KiriA500]

I guarantee you no weapon will take 6 months to a year to aquire. Ever.

Thank god.

[Quiz]

Relic weapons should have been harder to obtain. In FFXI it took like a 6months to a year+ to make one (unless you bought Gil).

I really hope SE adds a Mythic Weapon Version to FFXIV but call them Legendary Weapons. And for anyone who doesn't know what those are
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ca...Mythic_Weapons
I was pretty close to finishing Tizona....... That's what this game needs. I think it would help with the "Lack of Content".

Our Relic Weapons in FFXIV are pretty much the same as a Empyrean Weapon in FFXI.
So there may be some hope.

Why? So we can hear you complain about farming 30k tomes in 1 of 4 dungeons? Or some new currency that only drops in 1?

Because Alex only dropped in 4 dungeons too....unless you were a new schooler in which case just stop.

And this coming from a Burtgang owner, so yes, I know the sheer gutwrenching pain of it.

edit: SE have kinda shot themselves in the foot with the whole relic thing in XIV. They're basically setting themselves up for a FFXI incident with relics. People see "relic" and automatically think 1 of 2 things. "XI relics!!!" or "difficult Quested weapon that I can only start AFTER the story? MUST BE THE BEST!!!" Both parties (players and SE) are to blame. Assumption and omission.

[Wobi]

If they are foolish enough to bring back this sort of content I hope they at least have the foresight to ensure that the currency/items involved cannot be traded. No one wants the days back of and entire team(group of rubes) grinding out currency so one single person in your FC/LS can get a shiny new weapon.

It's nice to be able to work towards bettering your own character and not just whatever trash the FC officers decide you can have after slaving for months/years...never forget the dark times people.

[Arcturius]

It's all about a name apparently. Had SE named the damn allagan weapon "relic" no one would be bitching. Who cares what the name of the best weapon is honestly. Who cares if you upgrade your "relic +1" for a plus 2? Either way your upgrading your weapon...whether it's from T5 or this hypothetical relic +2.

Apparently a name is worth more to some.

This is exactly what I think when I read these posts. All I think when i see gear: "Oh that looks cool" or "hmm that's pretty good," not "OMG NEW GEAR, IS IT ALLAGAN? IS IT A NEW AF? IS IT RELIC? IS IT (blah blah blah)...

But quite honestly It would make sense to get allagan gear from trading allagan tomestones. That I can totally agree with. but just receiving relic weapon over and over but just more shiny would be boring as hell.

[Mikedizzy]

I am not too happy with the way the gear/weapon system is currently but it is okay.
I do not think that the best weapon in the game should be obtained through luck on a Loot Roll personally. I know that you have to beat Twintania to have even a chance of rolling on it but damn...You could beat Twintania over and over and over and never get the weapon....that is pretty crappy, also a ton of time with the Lock out on Coil.
It should be that RELIC is always the best weapon and I think the system they have made is pretty decent...just should have been a little longer and more involved. Now the +1 should have been more than grinding the 900 Myth (3 weeks of no skill to get). The AF+1 Gear should have also been a long Quest Chain mixed with some grinding to make it more interesting than just a dungeon grind as well.

[Faelandaea]

This is exactly what I think when I read these posts. All I think when i see gear: "Oh that looks cool" or "hmm that's pretty good," not "OMG NEW GEAR, IS IT ALLAGAN? IS IT A NEW AF? IS IT RELIC? IS IT (blah blah blah)...

But quite honestly It would make sense to get allagan gear from trading allagan tomestones. That I can totally agree with. but just receiving relic weapon over and over but just more shiny would be boring as hell.

I agree.

The elitists will always insist that something they got should be next to impossible to get for any player who has a life outside of a basement. However I have my Relic, I played the story, I enjoyed the game and still enjoy the game helping friends, and I don't have to set foot in Coil to enjoy it. And i even MORE enjoy seeing others get their Relic, also. It's a great reward for finishing the story-line, regardless of if they transition to raiding or not.

I love that casual players can still get an endgame reward that is easy to work toward without spending half their life at the keyboard. SE will add harder and harder content, and folks will cry that it is "impossible to get" . . . and then some elitist will get it, then troll these forums saying that it was "too easy to get" and compare the experience to some endless grind they did in some other MMO.

It's just a weapon . . . it's only 1 item . . . and you guys have Coil with a ton more stuff in it to drop and grind for . . . let the casuals have something pretty looking on their back. Just completing the main story has it's perks as well, an so does leveling a character. A Relic shows for that effort without having to be in an elitist raiding guild to do it.

[Babydoll]

It's all about a name apparently. Had SE named the damn allagan weapon "relic" no one would be bitching. Who cares what the name of the best weapon is honestly. Who cares if you upgrade your "relic +1" for a plus 2? Either way your upgrading your weapon...whether it's from T5 or this hypothetical relic +2.

Apparently a name is worth more to some.

That is what Final Fantasy is all about. You want to be able to solo behemoth, or have primals be a regular mob wandering around for anyone to walk up and kill in a couple of hits? Imagine if there was Bahamut and he was just a regular ol EXP mob. Well..its just a name right???

Relics in FF history have always been hard or time consuming to get. In FFX getting Lulu's was super hard haha you had to dodge 200 lighting strikes. It is just kind of insulting to the name yes...a name that has what..over 20 years of history? It is like a slap in the face to the meaning behind the FF series.

[OrionInerghem]

I have all relic, they are about as standard as the WSNM from FFXI, something you're expected to have to do good DPS.

What people are asking for is a true relic line where after working hard you get a weapon that's truly unique. The only way this system can work is if the process is so tough that the weapons stay pretty rare. And only the most focused and dedicated can do it. Currently there's nothing like that in XIV nor is it planned to be


I don't think they'll ever do it though