New Inner Beast DR.. the end all be all skill

[Paikis]

Considering that IB ends up being overheal 90% of the time, yeah, it's wasted. The only time that IB is *ever* appreciably useful on content that *isn't* a complete joke is when it and all of the heals you get within the next GCD or two are without any overheal. Healing yourself for 2000 doesn't matter when you'd have been healed for all of the damage you just healed yourself for in the next GCD or two in the first place. And we're not even going to get into how it doesn't scale so high damage scenarios turn it into a joke.

You use IB after you get hit by something large. Any time IB has a non-zero amount of over-healing, you're using it wrong. You use it AFTER you get smacked down to 15% of your health, not before. If you have any overhealing from Inner Beast, just about ever, you're bad and should feel bad. That said, if your healers are able to get you to the point where you're providing overheal half a second after being reduced to 15-20% health then they don't need the healing bonus anyway, and more health NOW is still going to be better than a healing bonus you don't need.

As for high damage scenarios, there is no scenario in the game currently where the damage is both high enough and also survivable that using Inner Beast is a bad idea. Don't forget, 2000 is the minimum, this is what I get with just Maim and Storm's Eye. Either a crit or use of Berserk would give you a 3k heal and getting both is slightly more than 4k. Half your health in exchange for about 7% less healing? When could this possibly be a bad idea?

[Kitru]

Any time IB has a non-zero amount of over-healing, you're using it wrong.

You're only factoring the initial heals that follow the burst hit. With 8k hp, a reasonable burst hit is roughly 6k and reduces you to 25% of max hp. Cure II gets you for 1.5k hp, or 18.75% of total hp. If you use IB, it's still going to take 3-4 big heals to top you off and, chances are, it's not going to be a perfectly divisible number of heals which means that it's going to be wasted healing that wouldn't have been wasted if you didn't use IB. If there is any overhealing in the process of topping you off, that's overhealing due to IB because you were getting those heals anyways.

As for high damage scenarios, there is no scenario in the game currently where the damage is both high enough and also survivable that using Inner Beast is a bad idea. Don't forget, 2000 is the minimum, this is what I get with just Maim and Storm's Eye. Either a crit or use of Berserk would give you a 3k heal and getting both is slightly more than 4k. Half your health in exchange for about 7% less healing? When could this possibly be a bad idea?

Your IB number is complete and utter bullshit, and it's what you base the entirety of your conclusion upon. Seriously. If you're getting 2k with just Maim/SE, your basic IB is hitting harder than my Berserked BB. The only way you're doing that much damage is if you're wearing so much damage gear that you've got a whopping 5.5-6k hp in full i90 equivalent.

[Paikis]

You're only factoring the initial heals that follow the burst hit. With 8k hp, a reasonable burst hit is roughly 6k and reduces you to 25% of max hp. Cure II gets you for 1.5k hp, or 18.75% of total hp. If you use IB, it's still going to take 3-4 big heals to top you off and, chances are, it's not going to be a perfectly divisible number of heals which means that it's going to be wasted healing that wouldn't have been wasted if you didn't use IB. If there is any overhealing in the process of topping you off, that's overhealing due to IB because you were getting those heals anyways.

if there is 6k worth of healing to be done and 2x Cure IIs is going to heal you for 3k total, that still leaves 3k worth of healing that your Inner Beast can make up for. Heals NOW are better than heals in 6 seconds. That is even assuming that you have 2 healers. ADS(t1) and Caduceus you have 1 healer, turn 4 you have 1 healer and for half of Twintania you have 1 healer.

Your IB number is complete and utter bullshit, and it's what you base the entirety of your conclusion upon. Seriously. If you're getting 2k with just Maim/SE, your basic IB is hitting harder than my Berserked BB. The only way you're doing that much damage is if you're wearing so much damage gear that you've got a whopping 5.5-6k hp in full i90 equivalent.

It is entirely possible that I'm remembering incorrectly, which is why I used 1500 in the other thread. I know for a fact that 1500 is doable with absolutely no buffs except Maim and SE all by myself. No group, no food, no Berserk, no crits just the bare minimum I can do all by myself. Even if we take an Inner Beast of 1500, my point stands.

[Giantbane]

Oh just stop. WAR is changing, deal with it.

Both classes still will play differently, even after 2.1. PLD is still much more straightforward in its general design and usage.

[Schmitty]

Oh just stop. WAR is changing, deal with it.

Both classes still will play differently, even after 2.1. PLD is still much more straightforward in its general design and usage.

This man knows what time it is.