New Inner Beast DR.. the end all be all skill

[Soulburn32]

There is no healing bonus from shield oath

[Zoomie]

There is no healing bonus from shield oath

Not this again...

[Reynhart]

Not this again...

As long as people will bring a FALSE statement, you'll see this popping again.
The fact that you generally need less MP to bring a PLD full life is NOT a healing bonus.

[Leonus]

As long as people will bring a FALSE statement, you'll see this popping again.
The fact that you generally need less MP to bring a PLD full life is NOT a healing bonus.

In all technicality you are correct. However, when comparing the effects of Shield oath to defiance, it is.

[Paikis]

In all technicality you are correct. However, when comparing the effects of Shield oath to defiance, it is.

Honestly, the number of times the difference will result in needing an extra heal to be cast are so small, and the amount that last heal needs to heal for are so small, this difference is irrelevant.

Use Storm's Path once, BOOM, difference gone.

You can actually prevent Tumult from doing more than 3 ticks of damage by silencing him, so it's not like the building Tumult really presents a problem either.

Indeed, and you don't really need to silence it anyway. The only time Tumult is going to kill you is if you only have 3-4 players left alive. At that point, you deserve to fail.

[Kitru]

Indeed, and you don't really need to silence it anyway. The only time Tumult is going to kill you is if you only have 3-4 players left alive. At that point, you deserve to fail.

The Titan groups I run with do it all the time anyway because it allows the healers to get away with casting only a single AoE heal (Medica II covers 3 Tumult ticks all on its own, no need for Succor) whereas letting the Tumults go off without interruption generally means that the healers both have to spam their AoEs a bit (WHM doing Medica II and then following it up with 1-2 Medica I, SCH just throwing out Succors). Also, if we're bringing along a relatively undergeared carry, they can sometimes die to chain Tumults even *with* AoE heals.

[Reynhart]

In all technicality you are correct. However, when comparing the effects of Shield oath to defiance, it is.

Indeed, -20% Damage Taken is better than +20% Cure received.
But against skills that bypass Shield Oath, or damage taken when Shield Oath is not up (For a little DPS boost with Sword Oath), that "technical" difference is important

[Leiron]

As long as people will bring a FALSE statement, you'll see this popping again.
The fact that you generally need less MP to bring a PLD full life is NOT a healing bonus.

Less damage taken= less HP needed to restore= indirect healing bonus.


@Paikis: I was factoring Tumult's into the equation.

[Exstal]

There is no healing bonus from shield oath

There is no healing bonus with Defiance.

[Soulburn32]

There is no healing bonus with Defiance.

Warrior Changes
Defiance
- Enmity generated by this skill will be increased.
- This skill will also increase HP recovery via curing magic by 20%.

It will after 2.1 which is what this thread is about.........