Why I quit

[Draven]

Massively cannot have meaning I think without a word to modify, in this case it's modifiying Multiplayer. So if that's correct then MM means a lot of people. No size of game.

In regards to XI, I think it's really silly for people to praise what XI was so much. And it's even more ridiculous for people to admire how "hard" they think the game was.

I don't think the game was hard at all. It had a very long~ leveling process combined with little to no solo capability, forcing players to not only group together, but to do so for hours and hours in order to get to cap. This isn't hard, it's a giant time sink. My personal opinion is that THAT is not good game design. Good game design in my opinion is about giving players a choice. In XI, you have very little choice. You played the game in a very linear way and that way was almost always requiring you to group for just about anything. Again, no choice is not good game design imo.

FFXIV gives you a lot of choice. So much choice that you have to make an effort and a plan you prefer for leveling. What choices can you make? Well Discipline for one is our greatest choice. We can choose very different game play styles as our main activity. Battle, Gathering and Crafting.

Picking Battle for example you have a choice. Solo or group play. And you can do that all~the way to 50 picking one or combining the two. That's a very good thing I think. Choice.

There are a number of things though that are hindering XIV such as fatigue, lack of party search and lack of story (for a FF game). The first two I think right now are playing a big role in holding back a lot of party play in this game.

Honestly, the game isn't that bad. It's the community. People are LAZY (or many cases like myself short on time) and they won't bother with making XI style parties unless they absolutely have to. Seriously, almost everyone seems to be like this. They can't be bothered to join or make a party for whatever number of reasons. They choose to solo until they face the SP hill and then they'll group up. Not because they want to, but because they feel they have to now.

XI wasn't hard and it didn't have a good community because it was hard. XI had a decent community and a higher chance of making friends through FORCED grouping. It wasn't bad for it's time but gaming has evolved tremendously and a game like XI launched now stands no chance of commercial success with so many other MMOs providing far more entertaining experiences.

I honestly believe that the gaming community has also changed since early XI. Back then, more people had significantly more patience I think and more positive thinking. They enjoyed the game for what it was and enjoyed getting to know other people in the game. Todays gaming is not like that at all. Why? I could write a book why, but I won't.

OP this game has it's issues and I question my own future in this game from time to time. There are so~ many more games out there and coming. If we're not enjoying the game right now, I see no reason why we shouldn't take a break, play a different game and come back if we want to later when they've made the proper adjustments.

[Kiara]

Hi Draven,

Great post. You make some very good points. If I could make a couple points:

1. Re: FF XI Praise
I definitely agree with you that XI's leveling up / grind was far more Party-based, and it really did force you to get into Parties to reach Level Cap (at least for the early years). So in that regards, XIV is more flexible (and I appreciate that). But XI also had a lot more variety as well (but, it was due to so many Expansion Packs). The environments were more varied. There were a lot more NMs / HNMs to try and solo / low-man / get your alliances together for. Sky / Sea / Dynamis / BCNMs, etc. I think those are some of the great things people are still praising XI for (and that's not a bad thing). But again, I realize most of that came with years of development after launch.

2. Regarding XVI's Partying or Solo: Yah, as you mentioned the lack of Party Search like XI's is a *big* hindrance, and probably what the OP has run into.

Unless you're lucky to catch a shout (or organized enough to form and shout for your own parties), it's not always easy to get SP / Rank Up. You might be able to join a party if you catch a shout at the right time, but otherwise, it can be tough. And most players right now only want to do Guildleves... in Ul'dah / Thanalan region. The potential is there to Solo, Duo, Trio, Party / Grind far better than XI, but in reality, as you mentioned, with the limited Player / Party Search features and people generally staying in Ul'dah, mainly wanting some Guildleves (and not regular SP grinding), it is a bit limiting right now.

[Nero]

i just had fun lol'ing at another Trollthread.

1. if you DONT like this game, dont play it.
2. If you DO like this game, play it.

It is that easy. Noone cares about "I quit, because..." Threads. Want you want to say with Threads like that? You are saying the game is to hard for you? You are saying you cant stand it cause you are a WoW-Player? You want to play FFXI-2? Go play FFXI first and all its content, then come back and say that again. Most of you Guys didnt even reach ONE rank to 50, so how you think you are knowing the Game? You dont know ***..

YES there is missing content, but its COMING. Its confirmed and FFXI was the same.. even worse imo. I played it at the start and NOT at NA start where SE allready added a lot of Content. So please Trolls stay out of this discussion if you didnt play it that Time.

You want to quit? Go for it.. Have fun playing another WoW-clone.

You scream for changes? Go learn programming and learn what it means and how long some Stuff take to implement.

You dont like this Game? Stop crying then and just go.

You like this Game? Good choice, now start and back up SE. Trollthreads dont help anyone, they are just frustating.. and you people wonder how Yoshi changed his attitude? No i dont wonder at all.. i would change it too, if i just look at all this Trollpost from WoW-Players, little Kids and Crybabies.

You Guys are still screaming and crying for changes. GOD .. SE is on it.. did you guys even play the last couple Month to realize the HUGE amount of Stuff SE changed? Good things needs time, so if you pull out all that crying *** SE is under Time-pressure and some Stuff wont work out and then.. you guys will cry again. Im so tired of it and i seriously dont even post much cause of it. You want a working Game? Im sure SE wants a nice community and not TONS of crybabies. You play this Game for FREE till SE gets to a point where they say, the Game is what they want it to be.

NOONE OF YOU HAVE ROOM TO TALK OR COMPLAIN... YOU ARE PLAYING THIS GAME FOR FREE!.

enough said.. sick of that childish ***.

OH BTW.

you guys are sick of doing leves? Stop doing the same 3 leves then. AND THERE ARE Camps like in FFXI. Go and play and you will finally learn something about a Game you are complaining about... I dont think most of you actually tried it or played long enough to figure Stuff.

[Shika]

You have to understand that a lot of people feel the same about the game at the moment, for many it is coming up to "crunch" time where they want to see lots of decent changes and events introduced so that after 9 months there is actually something other than quests for pointless rewards once you have a rank 50, leves, a few NMs, crafting or gathering to mainly do in the game.

Although I agree that "I quit for so and so reason" threads do not necessarily help change anything, people could also argue that the game may be free to play but they had to fork out for the cost of the game in the first place. (Just playing devil's advocate.)

So, as I have seen constantly over the last few weeks, people are simply venting their frustration the more that time goes on.

And no, I personally do not count mob and spell/battle effect resizing, changing the market ward names, fiddling with mob distribution, putting in a few "go kill X number of this" quests, adjusting the still useless targetting system 3 times for little improvement, a coloured aggro indicator blob and level on mobs, removal of "curious" mob AI, collision detection etc etc as anything major. It is the complete overhaul of the battle system, changes to the class system, introduction of JSE and unlockable specialization jobs, Dungeons- PvE, Companies, materia system and so on that people are waiting for with bated breath.

This is a General Discussion thread so people do actually have every right to "talk or complain" regarding the state that FFXIV is in currently. We are the customers. After all, isn't that why SE set this forum up in the first place? - To see player feedback, thoughts and complaints to do with the game about things that need fixing to turn this beached whale into a success? There are usually more often troll threads or complaints rather than actual useful suggestions on the forum but that's inevitable, and to be honest is mostly down to us to ignore so that they die quickly, or the community reps to close down if they are pointless and/or inappropriate.

(This post is directed at Karon's above)

[JackDaniels]

Boring game is boring, take a year break ~ you won't regret it. Come back to FFXI, if you havent played abyssea or experienced the new exp caps, then there is enough to do until the real make-or-break period for FFXIV (ps3 launch).

[Chinook]

In games like Perfect World, I would grind. In Forsaken World, I would AFK level. In FFXI, I would put my party flag up, and grind". "I WISH to the heavens FFXIV had a similar party system." On RIFT, I would do PVP, on S4 League, I fight "pvp", on Rakion, I fight, on Aion, I get a power level, on eve, I can afk lvl "obviously".. the point is there is ALWAYS some way to level. .

Did you consider that no MMO will ever last you long, considering you played at least 9 of them over the past few years, meaning you already reached your limit with FFXIV.

Understand your point, but I do not understand your motive.

[RathSkybreaker]

After further thought, I see your point in Diablo not being an mmo.. The games player base can really only communicate in a massive way in the games hub as afore mentioned, and it's not like you get to see more than 8 people at one point in time(in the actual game I mean) . However, with guild wars it is possible to see the majority of players in a centralized hub, in a way that you are still interacting with them,(trade, conversation). So in the sense of an MMORPG, I think GW, although obviously not as mmorpg-ish as say FFXIV, or wow.. could still be considered an MMO..

[Grey-dex]

Although we are only a couple of weeks away from the potential release of quest hubs, why don't you try doing some of the NPC quests located around town? Albeit granted they don't give you a great reward, but some of the items are mildly interesting. It will get you out of town too and around Eorzea because I find it hard to believe anyone has really seen every waterfall/hidden out of the way area the game has to offer. Meh, that's my 2 cents.

[viion]

Hahahaha 40 Likes, almost more than most suggestions.

[CrstyCaptin]

Cliff notes: XIV is incomplete. Just a fact, not defending either side.

In XI the grind was worse. I mean 5k/hr was good for a looooong time before Cop/ToAU. You had to rely on making an a good party that consisted of good damage, a tank, good heals, and mp conservation. Job roles were specifically defined. Whm? You buff/heal. Blm? You nuke and sometimes debuff. Rdm? You debuff/cure/buff. As a mage you attempted to get as much +healing mp gear, mnd for you cures/slow/para, int for you nukes/debuffs. As DD you tried to get as much attack/acc/str/dex. As a tank you tried to either blink tank or reduce dmg you take; in both cases you tried to boost enmity. Killing mobs took more than 1 minute in most cases and if you killed in under two minutes you were probably still getting good xp/hr. Killing a mob was, for the most part, rewarding for the amount of xp you got and the faster you killed the more xp bonus you would get for chains. You had to coordinate SC's between DD and any mages for MB. Although the grind was worse each new level you hit usually opened up a new piece of gear you could wear or a new spell/ability you could use. These new spells were, for the most part, far better than previous spells. Hitting a new level was almost always 'awesome'.

Outside of partying, or even while LFG with your flag up, you could craft, harvest, farm, build fame or even do some quests. With your HP set to Jeuno(or later WG), and a warp scroll/blm sub handy, you could instantly for 'free' teleport back to town to join a party if you got a tell. You could also spend time hunting some NMs. Remember that bird in West Saru with the +hmp wand? You only needed to be level 10~ to kill it. Leaping boots, emp pin, that signia, the list goes on and on of NMs that were rather low rank that dropped good gear. Some of that gear potentially lasted until level cap or at least long enough that the time you spent camping was well worth it. Switching jobs instantly converted your stats so by playing WHM you could still have the full benefit of playing WAR by simply changing jobs and equipping different gear. Transportation was cake once you hit 20 and were allowed to rent chocobos from the cities and the crags. Shouting for a 'Teleport-Mea' then picking up a choco from the crag wasn't a bad run to Windurst. Once outpost teleports were added the game got even easier to get around in. Being able to set your HP was paramount to saving time. All of the above was possible before hitting the level cap or even level 50 for that matter.

In XIV you're missing a good 90% of the above.
-Job roles are not defined, although 'jobs' are coming so we'll see how they turn out. Any melee for the most part can tank when mobs die so fast so long as you have some heals to back it up.
-Gear is no where near as important as in XI. Stats are pretty much a joke at this time. Spending hours camping that sheep in coerthas for that mage body will give me no visible increase in damage or accuracy of spells. There is no reason to aim for top of the line gear except for 'looking cool'.
-Grinding is terrible. Mobs die so fast that there is no sense of 'reward' for killing one. Mobs really aren't difficult. While Sp/hr is potentially higher the 'bore' factor is exponentially higher. I personally can't grind for an hour on mobs for 20k sp. If fatigue hits I just leave the party. There are no SP chains to make you 'want' to kill faster to keep the chain going. Mobs usually repop slow in regards to their kill time.
-Ranks are mostly meaningless. Don't get me wrong, there are a few ranks on the way to 50 that you can't wait for to pick up certain skills(sentinel, siphon mp, sac+cure 3, etc). But compared to XI, as conj you start with all your tier 1 nukes that do the same damage. You hit rank 24 and you get tier 2 nukes. For more mp these basically do the same amount of damage and are on a longer cooldown. There is no 'reward' or sense of accomplishment. Tie this to the fact that ranks 1-20 are literally a breeze.
-Strategy is non existent outside of NMs and even there its hardly required. BRs consist of people randomly queing up their abilities, standing idle for 10s while everyone joins, and then just using a normal ability for a little bit more damage. There's no skill required to do a BR. SC's made you focus and time attacks.
-Transportation/traveling. Limited anima makes traveling a pain. You can't set your HP, instead it's fixed to the last aetheryte you touched. This makes return rather worthless plus it costs you 1 anima. There are no 'teleports' or 'warps'. Seamless zones make for less diversity which makes for a boring time running through the same scenery all the time.
- While I did argue that stats are rather worthless, they do make a difference to a certain point(40-60 in a stat). Going 'all out' on a certain class makes you 'gimp' for ranking other classes. As an example I have 150 vit/pie for my 50 thm with everything else at base aside from mnd(31~). When I pop on glad I totally suck. When I play my conj my nukes blow. Assignable stats limit the 'potential' of other classes. If we assigned each class their own stats that saved it'd be a different story...
-Content. Not much to do outside of leves or crafting/gathering. NMs are not soloable unless you're 50. No real gear to grind for to make you 'better' for parties. Most sidequests are mediocre at best with a few being actually good.
-LFG. Doesn't exist. Nuff said.
-No D box!
-latency; blows

I'm sure I've forgotten some stuff but this seems to cover most of what I see the game lacking(which is almost everything lol). It's easy to see why people always refer to XI being 'great' compared to XIV. It had a system that worked even if it didn't allow you to 'solo' your way to level cap. I'd be much happier with mob difficulty increased dramatically and giving the people that want to 'solo' a campaign style way to level to 50 if they don't have time/don't want to party. Leves are a nice way to SP if they'd just balance the SP you could get for them all(they all need to give you 9~k sp minimum with a 4-way link without GA for rank 30+), and they really should make everyone get the same leves each reset so linking would be very easy.

With the current state of the game we really need to wait till the end of the summer to see where the foundation of the game stands and then make our judgments. Until then it's just a bitch fest of what should be and what we want. If SE can deliver us a system that mimics that of XI's I'm pretty sure 80% of the playerbase would be very happy.