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    Quote Originally Posted by Paikis View Post
    That's the thing. That 1,300 damage hit on Inner Beast just healed the guy who did it for 3,900hp. About half his health. That is why STR gearing is a great idea on WAR and only an OK idea for a PLD... maybe... if you have enough HP.
    Breaking 1200 requires insane DPS gearing and STR pot. The highest reasonable average shot heals for 1500 or so with Maim and Storm's Eye up (1.25 damage per potency). You get about 41% more out of Berserk and 50% on crit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paikis View Post
    People keep trying to play the WAR like a PLD and are stacking huge amounts of HP at the expense of making their Inner Beasts worthless. 1200-2000hp healed every 20 seconds is a drop in the ocean. 2,000 to 4200 up to 4 times a minute though? Now we're talking.
    There is not enough gear in the game to boost damage that much. Full ilvl90 VIT vs. full STR is 20% damage or so (22.2% according to Valk's formula) -- that includes allocation and accessories to pure STR from pure VIT. This is a difference of 1400 HP as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paikis View Post
    More strength not only gives you bigger heals, but also can add around 2% physical mitigation as well.
    Gryphonskin with 45 strength and 45 dex adds about 1% total mitigation. If you went full STR and gained 1% mitigation out of it, you'd be behind for all cases less than 1000 incoming DPS due to the difference in passive regeneration alone.

    Quote Originally Posted by NightReach View Post
    Lol I hit 1k butchers all the time on Titan with full vit which has much higher defense.
    Enemies do not have defense of any kind, nor does VIT add defense. I'm not certain what is meant here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamemako View Post
    Breaking 1200 requires insane DPS gearing and STR pot. The highest reasonable average shot heals for 1500 or so with Maim and Storm's Eye up (1.25 damage per potency). You get about 41% more out of Berserk and 50% on crit.
    The highest reasonable minimum heals for that yes. I agree with your numbers here, i disagree about requiring insane STR gearing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gamemako View Post
    Gryphonskin with 45 strength and 45 dex adds about 1% total mitigation. If you went full STR and gained 1% mitigation out of it, you'd be behind for all cases less than 1000 incoming DPS due to the difference in passive regeneration alone.
    Everyone always forgets passive regen. I don't consider the mitigation gain to be the main reason for taking the STR though, the main reason is Inner Beast. That and making easy-mode threat even easier, allowing me to use Storm's Path more often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamemako View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paikis View Post
    That's the thing. That 1,300 damage hit on Inner Beast just healed the guy who did it for 3,900hp. About half his health. That is why STR gearing is a great idea on WAR and only an OK idea for a PLD... maybe... if you have enough HP.
    Breaking 1200 requires insane DPS gearing and STR pot. The highest reasonable average shot heals for 1500 or so with Maim and Storm's Eye up (1.25 damage per potency). You get about 41% more out of Berserk and 50% on crit.
    1200 hit => 3600 heal
    500 hit => 1500 heal

    Assuming you geared Warrior like you would a normal tank
    369 STR (50 less than your current) and 534 VIT (50 more than your current). Which is closer to 420 hit with just Maim and SE.

    I've already tested this amount so it's much more reasonable than how you chose to gear yourself.

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    Last edited by Exstal; 12-14-2013 at 10:13 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post
    369 STR (50 less than your current) and 534 VIT (50 more than your current). Which is closer to 420 hit with just Maim and SE.
    If you wear Gryphonskin accessories and allocate VIT, you will have 410 strength before party bonus. Beyond that is going to be rehash of the Gryphonskin vs. Allagan debate we've all seen 4000 times. Your hit is with 352 strength and an ilvl80 Bravura. You will get the remainder of the 500 damage from the elements I have pointed out.

    //EDIT: Removed myself repeating what Extal had already said. Whoops.
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    Last edited by Gamemako; 12-14-2013 at 11:12 AM.