Full STR WAR is nothing to write off.

[ZDamned]

Actuall your looking at more like 100-150 more from Inner Beast with Strength vs Vitality. If it was 500 more, then no one here would be argueing against it. =P

[OmegaSinX]

Actuall your looking at more like 100-150 more from Inner Beast with Strength vs Vitality. If it was 500 more, then no one here would be argueing against it. =P

Prior to change my highest IB was 800ish with the norm being 600. Now my highest inner beast to date is almost 1300, with 800ish being the norm.

[NightReach]

Prior to change my highest IB was 800ish with the norm being 600. Now my highest inner beast to date is almost 1300, with 800ish being the norm.

Have you actually parsed yourself? big number for tanks is nice and all, but when BLM is throwing out 4k crits with firestarter, your 1k damage is measly. Also you have very low crit so in a 10 min fight you would barely get more then 20% with wrath.

Not to mention if the WHM doesnt have to heal u for a few sec with the extra health he or she can toss out a Holy which does a hell of alot more then you do. Which is also why PLD are still faster at WP.

All in all I dont discount the value of str, I personally dont use defiance and use all my DRG jewels for AK runs. But for progression sake, the reward is too low for so much risk

[OmegaSinX]

Have you actually parsed yourself? big number for tanks is nice and all, but when BLM is throwing out 4k crits with firestarter, your 1k damage is measly. Also you have very low crit so in a 10 min fight you would barely get more then 20% with wrath.

Not to mention if the WHM doesnt have to heal u for a few sec with the extra health he or she can toss out a Holy which does a hell of alot more then you do.

Your counter arguement is to compare a TANK to BLM ?....seriously?

Speaking of BLM, as we get better geared, I can see it more challenging for Full VIT tanks to hold aggro.

[ZDamned]

Omega, remember, Berserk is a 50% attack Power increase, so you can't go by that only. If you take berserk and a Crit, then add Maim/Storms Eye, your looking at 4 damage modifiers there. What you SHOULD be looking at are your constants, which is un buffed, NH, and Maim/Storms Eye Normal Hit. Remember, Berserk won't be up for every IB, nor will you consistently Crit. Or else your grossly overestimate your Healing values.

100% NH, Take Maim, and Storms Eye, then +50% for Berserk, +50% for a Crit. So your literally looking at 120%, Buffed up 50%, then Buffed up another 50% if you are talking about IB that way.

I have my Bravura +1, more Strength and Attack Power than you do, and I still don't see the 1300 you mentioned. So, I have to assume you had some other assistance for those numbers other than just your Highest ever self-buffed Crit.

I typically see 325 Damage IB's in Vitality only though.

IIRC, My IB now hits for 475~ (Strength)

So roughly 150~ Damage on a NH change when I'm in Strength.

Taking that 150 (Bonus which I observed) as a Baseline, Add Maim/SE to buff it to 180, then Add Berserk: 270 Then Crit that number to get +405 on top of what would have been Vitality only.

When we do the same to the Vitality Spec base of 325 Damage: 390 + Berserk = 585 + Crit = 877 Damage from the Self-Buffed IB. ~2630 Healing is not too bad.

Then you can add in the top end Strength damage for a whopping 1282 Fully Buffed Crit. And you have what I typically see in my gear, at 442 Attack power/Strength with a +1 Relic. (Sorry, I'm on my Aracanist at the time of this post when I logged out last night)

[OmegaSinX]

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That was my best inner beast to date. if that was the norm, who needs healer :P? Also I cook so I always have a stack of Black Truffle Risotto or Deviled Eggs with me . Do you use food ?

[ZDamned]

That was my best inner beast to date. if that was the norm, who needs healer :P? Also I cook so I always have a stack of Black Truffle Risotto or Deviled Eggs with me . Do you use food ?

Nope! Food would be the difference there. =P That makes sense now. lol!
I only use food for progression fights as I stand now, since I don't have the time to make Gil yet.

[OmegaSinX]

Nope! Food would be the difference there. =P That makes sense now. lol!
I only use food for progression fights as I stand now, since I don't have the time to make Gil yet.

I'm a lvl 50 Alchemist so from time to time i pop a Mega Potion of STR too, but they are rather expensive to make on my server, so I rarely do it.
But the Burst damage during those 15secs are insane.

[ZDamned]

Have you actually parsed yourself? big number for tanks is nice and all, but when BLM is throwing out 4k crits with firestarter, your 1k damage is measly. Also you have very low crit so in a 10 min fight you would barely get more then 20% with wrath.

Not to mention if the WHM doesnt have to heal u for a few sec with the extra health he or she can toss out a Holy which does a hell of alot more then you do. Which is also why PLD are still faster at WP.

All in all I dont discount the value of str, I personally dont use defiance and use all my DRG jewels for AK runs. But for progression sake, the reward is too low for so much risk

None of us are talking about Progression here, Just everything other than the last 2 fights in the game. =P

PS: WHM can holy with my Warrior as a Speed Runner too, and I add 200-300 Damage per Overpower to everything. So thats 200-300 per GCD on top of the AOE DPSers, and Holy Stuns them, so that's at minimum 3 casts at ~600 Damage per cast of holy.

[Sleigh]

Have you actually parsed yourself? big number for tanks is nice and all, but when BLM is throwing out 4k crits with firestarter, your 1k damage is measly. Also you have very low crit so in a 10 min fight you would barely get more then 20% with wrath.

Strange you ask him if he's done real research on the numbers and then you say BLM does 4K damage with Fire III.

Critical Fire III does around 1,500 damage. Source: full i90 BLM.