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    Bardo's Avatar
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    Bardo Phor
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    Thing is, EVERY other class relic+1 is 46 physical damage. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
    Would it not make more sense for the sake of consistency (read: scaling) to bump Bard weapons to the same damage as other classes and then alter potency values downward to compensate?

    This could effectively lower our damage at early ilvls where, let's face it Bard damage is a bit too high for being able to ignore movement mechanics and stay at range (which is the entire reason they're going to nerf Bard in 2.1).
    Meanwhile, it might actually give us a slight boost at endgame where we begin to seriously lag behind (even before the melee buff and bard nerf coming in 2.1).
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    Shichi Mamura
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    Let's ignore most of thread for a moment and take a look at how Artemis Bow to Artemis Bow +1 works. You gain 1 weapon damage for 10 item levels. Ok, seems a little weird. Now with the Allagan Bow i90 going to i95, are they going to bring it up 0.5 WDMG? Or another 1? See the problem here?

    So I suggest nerfing Bard DPS more, equivalent to weapon damage increases, and bring weapon damage up to 46. Then every subsequent weapon damage increase is actually significant and logical.
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    Alizebeth Bequin
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    In regards to OP, the lowering of bow damage was intentional.

    Its not a bug. So its not likely going to be fixed.

    I'm not sure what the problem is?

    If your problem is "bards don't do enough damage" then that's a separate discussion.

    But if your question is "will it be fixed", then no, it won't be fixed, because it isn't an issue.

    Will it be changed? Who knows? But most likely 2.1 bards will not be getting any buffs.
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    Akira Pink
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    Bard support abilities are not op. Songs are only helpful for people who mismanage their resources.

    Our silence is usefull only because of a few particular mechanics. We have no stun, low dps, low burst, poor aoe, no limit break. We're getting nerfed anyways because troll Dragoons whined enough to get their way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akirakogami View Post
    Bard support abilities are not op. Songs are only helpful for people who mismanage their resources.

    Our silence is usefull only because of a few particular mechanics. We have no stun, low dps, low burst, poor aoe, no limit break. We're getting nerfed anyways because troll Dragoons whined enough to get their way.
    ... and she called dragoons trolls. Wow.
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    Akari Legaia
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    I think monks were complaining about bards more than Dragoons. Dragoons didn't have to worry about a bard replacing them in group thanks to Disembowel. What do Monks have to support other DPS? I got nothin'. Granted, if you come to my server you'll find most of the Dragoon population being terrible and not knowing how to properly use their abilities in a rotation or even avoid the avoidable damage which created the whole alienation of melee dps in the first place.

    On topic: Bard weapon damage is fine, I think if our endgame weapons had at least crit hit rate instead of totally worthless skill speed they would be comparable to other classes' weapons. I have no information on what the Extreme primal reward weapon will be like but if it has crit on it you can bet I'll be using that over anything else until they decide to give us a higher tier of weapon.
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    Celeb Carca
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akirakogami View Post
    Bard support abilities are not op. Songs are only helpful for people who mismanage their resources.

    Our silence is usefull only because of a few particular mechanics. We have no stun, low dps, low burst, poor aoe, no limit break. We're getting nerfed anyways because troll Dragoons whined enough to get their way.
    Have you defeated Titan or better with every job?
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    Alaik Ropaire
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    I still believe you only hear complaints about Bards due to their silence being almost mandatory for certain fights. It's a lot easier for a DD to handle silences than your tanks, and there's only one viable option for that.

    Of course, I personally think every class should have an interrupt.
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    Razgard Lionstorm
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    Since this is a BRD thread I may as well ask it. Is 2 determination better than 1 dex? Basically toxotes choker vs DL neck. I don't really need the accuracy from DL neck right now though.
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