Updates: FFXI and FFXIV, a comparison

[Betelgeuzah]

This whole overhaul excuse is about as much bullshit and overused nonsense as Beta was when the excuse was "Come release it will be better, this is beta theres no need for all content ^^" yah that worked out super great.

Overhauling a game engine has absolute NOTHING to do with making 3D Models, or Animation effects or.. sounds? lol.

Yes, let us compare the situation where the players made up shit about unreleased content when the devs had not ever even implied there was such things to the situation where the producer himself has said several times that there will be overhauls which are being worked on in parallel which are released together instead of in small doses due to it being more efficient for them to work that way.

The players did not create any of these claims. The developers did. I think there is slightly more weight in this argument this time, but keep living in denial. You act in the exact same way those people did a year ago, only you're on the opposite side of the spectrum

So, how do you release an armor model which has no stats or job to equip it, or a monster without any content it can appear in?

[viion]

So, how do you release an armor model which has no stats or job to equip it, or a monster without any content it can appear in?

Make the 3D Model then come battle overhaul you can add the stats, or hell just add what you know will work and tweak it like every other armour will get.

Just because stats will have to be changed does not mean you cannot make the piece, the 3D model and show it to us. What does a battle system have anything to do with Chocobos? Or a Mail System or LS controls or Airships?

They added goblins into the existing area without adding them to any relative content. So your statement does not make any sense.

And as I said earlier, maybe in this post or not, a lot of issues seem to stem from not having enough people working on the game, which again makes no sense considering the dramatic pressure its under.

[Betelgeuzah]

Just because stats will have to be changed does not mean you cannot make the piece, the 3D model and show it to us. What does a battle system have anything to do with Chocobos? Or a Mail System or LS controls or Airships?

Nothing, which is why they have a lower priority until everything related to battle is finished. And there's a lot.

They added goblins into the existing area without adding them to any relative content. So your statement does not make any sense.

Depends on what you mean. I didn't know this game was in such a dire need for more normal monster types that they should be working on them instead of... pretty much everything else imaginable.

And as I said earlier, maybe in this post or not, a lot of issues seem to stem from not having enough people working on the game, which again makes no sense considering the dramatic pressure its under.

And as I said earlier, there is no problem to be had if they can keep their timeline. Once workforce is freed from developing everything battle related every other issue is a small fry in comparison. Due to the engine and server improvements also easier to implement.

[viion]

Nothing, which is why they have a lower priority until everything related to battle is finished. And there's a lot.

But even still, the people who work on the Battle system should not be the same people who do the interface or create 3D Models. If you've got people multi-tasking as Jack-of-all-trades then no wonder this game is in such a bad state because joat employees suck.

For Alpha to Beta, even if they had the battle system ready, how long ready, double the time meaning 6 months of work, hmm seems no different from the new team!

Not only did they add Stamina they changed how attack works, changed action bar changed skill menus and during Alpha and Beta did several changes to how stat works regarding algorithms. I'd say about 6-7 updates worth of stat tweaking.


Anywho we keep going back and fourth with the same thing and the new battle system will be out this month, then there will be no more stupid "overhaul" excuses as it will of been done. And then we can see around Autum if they've picked up.

[Betelgeuzah]

But even still, the people who work on the Battle system should not be the same people who do the interface or create 3D Models. If you've got people multi-tasking as Jack-of-all-trades then no wonder this game is in such a bad state because joat employees suck.

Uhh...

There are separate people working on 3D models and people working on interface. No one is multitasking.

Do you not understand that all of these people are preparing the battle patch? Creating models and assets, designing AA GUI, developing the materia interface. Regardless of if there is a clear connection or not, these features can not be released before the feature it supports is ready.

And dear God, we have gotten UI improvements, new models and effect improvements during the last few months. What the hell is even your point?

Not only did they add Stamina they changed how attack works, changed action bar changed skill menus and during Alpha and Beta did several changes to how stat works regarding algorithms. I'd say about 6-7 updates worth of stat tweaking.

and "all" of it resulted in shit that needs to be changed yet again. Truly remarkable.

ffxi battle changed just as much in less time and they had many other changes going on at the same time

"Just as much"? XIV team hasn't even implemented the plethora of changes being prepared. XI team has nothing going on in parallel that would slow them down. Obviously they will get ahead until the XIV team is done.

[Physic]

Uhh...

There are separate people working on 3D models and people working on interface. No one is multitasking.

Do you not understand that all of these people are preparing the battle patch? Creating models and assets, designing AA GUI, developing the materia interface. Regardless of if there is a clear connection or not, these features can not be released before the feature it supports is ready.

And dear God, we have gotten UI improvements, new models and effect improvements during the last few months. What the hell is even your point?



and "all" of it resulted in shit that needs to be changed yet again. Truly remarkable.



"Just as much"? XIV team hasn't even implemented the plethora of changes being prepared. XI team has nothing going on in parallel that would slow them down. Obviously they will get ahead until the XIV team is done.

look at the changes man, they changed many core battle things, auto attack algorithims among them, dlevel, accuracy, skill chains magic bursts, all while releasing actual content.

[Betelgeuzah]

look at the changes man, they changed many core battle things, auto attack algorithims among them, dlevel, accuracy, skill chains magic bursts, all while releasing actual content.

They changed specific elements of existing features, they did not remake them from the very beginning. There was no need to develop in parallel (although there was a need to develop in accordance to other features already in place).

The difference is still like night and day.

And to whoever said the economy is not going to be changed... lol.

They are essentially shifting the item acquisition methods from crafting-based to quest- and other NPC specific methods, while using the materia system to keep crafters and gatherers relevant in an economy where items are obtained elsewhere. Materia system also removes excess items from the economy.

The economy could hardly change any more than this.

But there is no devtag for "economy rehaul" so it can't be true LOL.

[Ava]

Make the 3D Model then come battle overhaul you can add the stats, or hell just add what you know will work and tweak it like every other armour will get.

Just because stats will have to be changed does not mean you cannot make the piece, the 3D model and show it to us. What does a battle system have anything to do with Chocobos? Or a Mail System or LS controls or Airships?

Most of that stuff (the art) is probably already created, it's just not in the live client yet because there's no point. Why show the community everything several months in advance? Where's the fun in that?

And mail system/LS controls probably tie in with the awful programming they need to fix. Chocobos I don't know, it sounds like they don't want them to be just a boring mount system and haven't really settled on a decision yet.

[viion]

Most of that stuff (the art) is probably already created, it's just not in the live client yet because there's no point. Why show the community everything several months in advance? Where's the fun in that?

The fun is not losing billions of costs in production and well over half a million users before the first year. That is why you start being clear cut. TERA realised it within 3 months after losing 80k Koreans, (Still have 100k daily active) and have decided to be crystal clear and its receiving good reception.

[Warlyx]

The fun is not losing billions of costs in production and well over half a million users before the first year. That is why you start being clear cut. TERA realised it within 3 months after losing 80k Koreans, (Still have 100k daily active) and have decided to be crystal clear and its receiving good reception.

tera lacked content (gameplay wise is cool ) , since lots of ppl left , the company has been working really hard , have the resources no doubt :P , so will be released in USA / EU with lots of content