Updates: FFXI and FFXIV, a comparison

[Rinsui]

Only if you lack the basic understanding of game development.

Harrharrharr... enlighten us, mister developer-in-chief! My knowledge may be less theoretical, but my empirical observation tells me: The whole world, including small-scale indie studios have

- better communication with their customers
- shorter development times for more features
- less stalwart braindead fanboys ('cept for Start Trek online, perhaps)

than SE,

or

already have died off.

Have fun defending your holy grail, Beetle. It's just a rusty can.

[Prevbean]

LOL I remember when Tanaka got pissed off at the people who were speculating what the fatigue system was and he tweeted about how its not what people think and that it was something else and blah blah. At the time he was thinking that people wont enjoy the game or even buy it if they have a false perception of it, what came next must have hit him hard.



But he makes a point, SE should have a lot more resources on hand to give this game a boost but they're just greedy bastards. I know that eventually production rate reaches an asymptote but I doubt SE is anywhere near that with FFXIV.

Ah the fatigue system.... I mean how in the world a company with some great masterpieces under their belt would even allow for such a thing baffles me. Tanaka reminded me of a crackhead that was ashamed that he smokes crack. He knew having the fatigue system was such a stupid thing to have but chose to keep it in anyways.

Betelgeuzah

You must be on drugs I'm sorry despite my huge disappointment in XIV I still have a soft spot for Square and hope them well, but you are just on another planet with your fanboyism . Rinsui is absolutely correct , if you ever follow or have been playing MMos for a while even the much smaller MMo companies do a lot more than this giant.

[RedAffinity]

There's numerous lines in the development process. Starts out with dev lines which then are merged, art ~ code ~ etc.. and it forms other baby clients. These then are further tested through and eventually blossom into a faux-live version which gets pounded on rigorously (lolz) by the devs and quality assurance. Once the team gets a thumbs up, an update is pushed into live, and that's where we come in.

As bland as the battle system (and many other features) is in FFXIV, it's balanced to be boring among other areas of the game. Tearing down a core component and reworking it from the ground up is pretty darn time consuming.

Before I get my head chewed off, I'm not making excuses for Square-Enix.

I don't know if the amount of work put in has truly been efficient time-wise or not but generally speaking... any changes to the battle system, especially one as big as promised, is like trying to blow up an old building in the middle of New York city and trying to build it back ground up without affecting anything around it. There's a high risk of a bad domino effect. You have to consider something as basic as auto-attack requires a tremendous amount of balance, including reworking of the stamina gauge, actions and abilities and enemy balance as well.

I wish we knew exactly how big 1.18 is. I too feel like wtf it's been 8+ months and we haven't seen much. But at the same time, a lot has been promised for this patch, and I understand they don't want to further develop new content for a soon to be changing battle system.

As for FFXI, the development process for that is probably perfected for their team. They add content and adjustments, they don't need to tear things down and try again.

[Roughgalaxy]

well the downside is... they have to basically do a complete overhaul on the game, rebuilding it from the ground up. This task is hard enough on it's own, but then you add having to run live servers with uppity customers (myself included) and you got such a storm of crap that it turns into a shitnami. Multiply all this with the fact that the engine they use to build the game is nearly worthless and you got a clusterf*** of epic proportions.

Sure XI is pretty good now, but it had the same issues XIV is having now, it is a shame that the XIV team didn't learn from the mistakes of their predecessors but thems the breaks. XIV is effectively reverted to a beta status and this stings a bit as we still are playing for the game with our initial purchase. Sure a bit more information, maybe even a small daily dev blog would be nice, help us see the progress they are making without taking up to much of their time.

It has to be said however, that if the major issue with a game is that there isn't enough of it... well that's a helluva lot better of a problem than some I can think of.

[Rinsui]

Magical "bold" feature, gogo!

evidence is what the devs have said for the past 5 months. It's as clear as your ignorance at this point.

Said, not done. That's my point. Thanks for the assist.

They are fixing the combat system and everything related to it before working on chocobos (because only 30k people give a *** at this point). You are meaningless, you are unnecessary and you nor anyone here is not their primary concern for a good reason. Deal with it.

...because only 30k people are left, yes. Because the others already realized that not only Beteljuice, but also SE thinks their outspoken opinion is meaningless and unnecessary. Good luck bringing in new MMORPG players who do not read reviews and forums.

You are a relict, Betel. One among a hundred faithful who still believe that giving a bad developer the benefit of the doubt will entice him to do his best. Or that waiting patiently in a corner will give you a chance of survival.

[Betelgeuzah]

Magical "bold" feature, gogo!

Said, not done. That's my point. Thanks for the assist.

So your amazing argument is that nothing is in the making if they only talk about it. One day it'll magically appear in the game.

Well, not like I didn't expect this.

...because only 30k people are left, yes. Because the others already realized that not only Beteljuice, but also SE thinks their outspoken opinion is meaningless and unnecessary.

People left because the game is ***. And SE is working on fixing a broken game to bring them back asap, not adding chocobos to a broken game asap. You do realize if SE wasn't doing this they wouldn't be adding chocobos, right? They would have closed the shop, because you are meaningless.

You are a relict, Betel. One among a hundred faithful who still believe that giving a bad developer the benefit of the doubt will entice him to do his best. Or that waiting patiently in a corner will give you a chance of survival.

Yes, I've noticed that the number of people capable of logical thinking is going down each and every day.

There is no benefit of the doubt. I am not saying that these changes will be good. I am not saying that it will be enough. I am saying that you nor me have the slightest clue about their efforts before they are implemented. You posting *** on the forums in the meantime won't make them work any harder, any better or any longer. All it does is make this place smell more than it already does.

[Betelgeuzah]

This doesn't alarm you make you concerned at all???

Only if you lack the basic understanding of game development.

*** magnets, how do they work???

[zaviermhigo]

In my opinion its that they're actually making the game...in the open beta they told us "this is 30% of the game", when we go to the release all that was new was a rank increase from 30 to 50. So I feel they fibbed to us about the beta only being 30% of the game, and it was more like 50%+. Meaning they have a lot of content to either A) produce or B) revise and then implement.

[TirionCrey]

I just don't get what's the problem. We have a SET LIST of information whats to come and planned til the end of summer 2011. If you don't enjoy the game, don't like it, have no hope that it will become what XI has become at one point. Stop playing!

We know what they are working on, it's not that we have to have "faith" in anything like we had to have on XI, we KNOW what's coming, now its everybodies own choice to either wait for that stuff to come(til the end of summer 2011 latest) or just stop playing either completely, or til the end of summer 2011 or whenever you think the game has reached the point where its enjoyable. I don't know what's the problem about that?

The people not able to stop fucking playing a game they hate/don't enjoy, or accuse the devs of not investing enough time are the stupid fanboys here, cause they are unable to ACCEPT facts and deal with it appropriately. If I hate/don't like something, I stop doing it if the CHOICE IS UP TO ME! And hell...we're talking about a stupid video game, everyone is free to leave...there are no chains attached. You didn't sign a contract with SE when you bought the game that made you give up your RL and wait for XIV to become the holy grail! Since you're so convinced(and everybody who likes your posts) that XIV ia a rusty can, you're just pitiful, cause you are unable to to turn your back on something you obviously don't enjoy. So let's talk about fanboys here again...

So instead of complaining how bad the game is, that Devs do nothing to make it any better, that the game is bound to fail anyway, why not take your own advice and FUCKING LEAVE?

I was all in for complaining about the stuff that was and is wrong in the game but by now the devs KNOW whats wrong and they are dealing with this pile of shit on a daily basis. At first it encourages you to do better when people complain about the stuff you made, but at some point(9 months later) it discourages you when people still complain about the same stupid shit you already said you are working on! They gave us a timeline til end of summer. Wait for that to come, THEN you're free to complain again about whatever is still wrong up to that point that has been said to be better by then.

[Physic]

point of the thread, is people telling SE to get more actual changes out faster, basically they are saying ok, 9 months for this amount of content is horrible, 6 ,omths is also bad.

Basically until the game has a plethora of content, they need to shorten the development cycle somehow.

Think about it, end of summer is 1 year. HOw far do you think other games get in one year? even from point 0? think about it, 1 year of development, from vanilla, all we are projected to get is. 3nms 3 dungeons 24 mini nms quests and jobs, bug fixes, and the game shipped content poor.
What other MMO showed less growth in a year?