Updates: FFXI and FFXIV, a comparison

[Elexia]

Who are you kidding really?

The biggest thing they did was add an auto-attack. OOoooOOooOOooo...

After XIVs release XI has had a boatload of game wide xp balancing while introducing new events and completely new areas and storyline quests with new weapon upgrading systems and game changing inventory management options.

During that time the biggest patch to XIV has been the one that made the menus lag less.

You do know this happened because the game was already established and XIV got released, right? Why do people continually ignore we won't get a lot of content till this game is fixed is beyond me.

[MaxWinter]

I see this issue in another light to maybe most people for me while i can see ff10 has got good updates since its 5-6 months since i left the game, its still not enough for me to want to go back , i would only go back if new areas and a full size expansion was made. Reading there full plans for 1 years that does not look like it will happen.
ff14 on other hand is something new and i wait to see what happens next update and what will happen with subscriptions.

[rainfish]

Who are you kidding really?

The biggest thing they did was add an auto-attack. OOoooOOooOOooo...

After XIVs release XI has had a boatload of game wide xp balancing while introducing new events and completely new areas and storyline quests with new weapon upgrading systems and game changing inventory management options.

During that time the biggest patch to XIV has been the one that made the menus lag less.

FFXI = 200k+ paying subscribers fronting up $12.99? per month in a game that's a success and 4 years into full profits mode.

FFXIV = ZERO paying subscribers.

Hmm I can't possibly see why one game would be getting more content.

[Rinsui]

Yeah, that's what I thought. You really are basing their progress on the content implemented to the live servers.

9 months after launch and 5 months after "Mister Miracle Patch" took over, yes. But another poster beat me to it:

This whole overhaul excuse is about as much bullshit and overused nonsense as Beta was when the excuse was "Come release it will be better, this is beta theres no need for all content ^^" yah that worked out super great.

So just have faith?

They could post screenshots, but they seem more concerned with surprising people than actually just telling people what's up

Because, like, they always manage to surprise us in a positive way?

They develop everything that relates to each other at once. Then it is not merely the concept that works and looks good on paper, it's the end result that works too. When there's a problem with AA that affects other features, they are changed accordingly. At the end every feature is ready simultaneously and there are no issues to be had.

Because, like, chocobos are intricately related. Amongst each other, and to the materia system. So it's just logical we have to wait until they introduce the materia system to ride chocobos?

My best friend who is game dev is laughing at you nubs who is saying this process is going to slow.

My friend laughs at your friend for working at a company that's going to be bancrupt within a few weeks.

Depends on what you mean. I didn't know this game was in such a dire need for more normal monster types that they should be working on them instead of... pretty much everything else imaginable.

If there was evidence they are actually working on "everything else imaginable" I could bear brown, black, brown-black striped, blackish-brown and brownish-black marmots a little longer. Maybe even for a couple of days.

Simple Menu changes could take months cause the code could collide with tons of other things but people don't know that

Good you know. Chaos theory. A butterfly flaps its wings... and suddenly the Black Shroud, like, E*X*P*L*O*D*E*S.

And dear God, we have gotten UI improvements, new models and effect improvements during the last few months. What the hell is even your point?

Yes, but I'm really astonished they didn't also enlarge the UI. Like, when something is really ugly... make it BIG!

I hope no developer ever read the BS Betel writes.

[Wolfie]

I hope no developer ever ready the BS Betel writes.

SE does read what he and others like him write, and we ended up with this s***ship of a game.

[Betelgeuzah]

9 months after launch and 5 months after "Mister Miracle Patch" took over, yes. But another poster beat me to it:

So just have faith?

More like "so just listen to what the *** the developers -have said-". Unlike last time, when faith was indeed needed (and just as useful in the end).

Because, like, chocobos are intricately related. Amongst each other, and to the materia system. So it's just logical we have to wait until they introduce the materia system to ride chocobos?

They are fixing the combat system and everything related to it before working on chocobos (because only 30k people give a *** at this point). You are meaningless, you are unnecessary and you nor anyone here is not their primary concern for a good reason. Deal with it.

If there was evidence they are actually working on "everything else imaginable" I could bear brown, black, brown-black striped, blackish-brown and brownish-black marmots a little longer. Maybe even for a couple of days.

Oh, I don't know, only evidence is what the devs have said for the past 5 months? It's as clear as your ignorance at this point.

I hope no developer ever ready the BS Betel writes.

oh, they don't have to. They need to deal with the reality on a daily basis, they know all this painfully well. Meanwhile I am merely giving a glimpse of the real world to people like you who live in a land of dreams and wonders where you can shape a reality of your own. The less you know, the easier it is.

Also lol@Wolfie's comment. When you lack an argument the next best thing is to look down on the opponent. Brilliant.

[Prevbean]

I honestly wouldn't be arguing with these blinded fanboys that keep making up excuses for SE on how unacceptably slow they been adding anything. I honestly wouldn't waste my breath they are the laughing stock for anyone that plays and enjoys many MMOs in their time.

[Ava]

I honestly wouldn't be arguing with these blinded fanboys that keep making up excuses for SE on how unacceptably slow they been adding anything. I honestly wouldn't waste my breath they are the laughing stock for anyone that plays and enjoys many MMOs in their time.

Alternatively, "fanboys" shouldn't waste their time arguing with people like you who play a game they hate and whine all day on the forums as if someone is forcing you to play this awful game. I don't think Square's fail is acceptable at all but if you're not willing to be patient, then leave. The devs need constructive, valuable feedback they can use, not whining about how slow patches are or demanding specific dates and details for every little thing to come in the next six months.

[Prevbean]

Alternatively, "fanboys" shouldn't waste their time arguing with people like you who play a game they hate and whine all day on the forums as if someone is forcing you to play this awful game. I don't think Square's fail is acceptable at all but if you're not willing to be patient, then leave. The devs need constructive, valuable feedback they can use, not whining about how slow patches are or demanding specific dates and details for every little thing to come in the next six months.

I have like 9 post on this forum in what about 9 months this game has been out ? ...Good argument you have there hahah.
Patient ????? It's been 9 freaking months that's not being patient that's being mind controlled to have that much patience when you see low budget garbage mmo companies turning out more content than a huge , giant company like SE.

That's all the devs got were constructive feedback hell even in freaking alpha they got feedback they chose to ignore or give us vague answers like " we will look into it". That's suppose to be acceptable for a supposed Huuuge company and name brand like the Final Fantasy series who is in dire , desperate, alarming need to fix a broken game is 9 months of nothing but minor additions? This doesn't alarm you make you concerned at all???

I won't even mention how long the game was under development and it still lacks all the basics from an old ps2 MMO they made in the past.

That is my exact reason I don't bother with mindless zombies you have nothing to retort but strawman arguments.

[Mack]

I have like 9 post on this forum in what about 9 months this game has been out ? ...Good argument you have there hahah.
Patient ????? It's been 9 freaking months that's not being patient that's being mind controlled to have that much patience when you see low budget garbage mmo companies turning out more content than a huge , giant company like SE.

That's all the devs got were constructive feedback hell even in freaking alpha they got feedback they chose to ignore or give us vague answers like " we will look into it". That's suppose to be acceptable for a supposed Huuuge company and name brand like the Final Fantasy series who is in dire , desperate, alarming need to fix a broken game is 9 months of nothing but minor additions? This doesn't alarm you make you concerned at all???

I won't even mention how long the game was under development and it still lacks all the basics from an old ps2 MMO they made in the past.

That is my exact reason I don't bother with mindless zombies you have nothing to retort but strawman arguments.

LOL I remember when Tanaka got pissed off at the people who were speculating what the fatigue system was and he tweeted about how its not what people think and that it was something else and blah blah. At the time he was thinking that people wont enjoy the game or even buy it if they have a false perception of it, what came next must have hit him hard.

Only if you lack the basic understanding of game development.

Fucking magnets, how do they work???

But he makes a point, SE should have a lot more resources on hand to give this game a boost but they're just greedy bastards. I know that eventually production rate reaches an asymptote but I doubt SE is anywhere near that with FFXIV.