Updates: FFXI and FFXIV, a comparison

[Firon]

Lol some people are just plain Ignorant. First of all the new dev team has been here 5 months? and the fact that they are building stuff from the ground up and it's gonna implemented in 4-5 months is amazing by dev standards. My best friend who is game dev is laughing at you nubs who is saying this process is going to slow. You don't create a new battle system and other things in 4-5 months if anything you should be worried its coming out in 4-5 months cause it could be really shitty.

[Zenaku]

The core system is mess up so they also need to fix that lol

[viion]

Lol some people are just plain Ignorant. First of all the new dev team has been here 5 months? and the fact that they are building stuff from the ground up and it's gonna implemented in 4-5 months is amazing by dev standards. My best friend who is game dev is laughing at you nubs who is saying this process is going to slow. You don't create a new battle system and other things in 4-5 months if anything you should be worried its coming out in 4-5 months cause it could be really shitty.

They changed battle system Alpha to beta which in our representation is about 3 months, that was with the old core team.

btw they only replaced Leads and Producer, the team who do all the chor coding is the same old peeps who've been working on it since day one. Do you think there is a team of 8 people on this entire game? lol

And wtf does "your friend who works in the industry" have anything to do with it? I know people in the industry who say total opposite, some say total same, they are viewing it no differently than we are.

Infact all the indy people just laugh at how slow this is considering what company is involved lol

Honestly even you are ignorant for thinking things are fine and everything going swimmingly and that this next update is going to be the brilliance when no doubt in 2-3 months time we'll be back here bitchen about the same thing because nothing will change. Even XI updates got slower and slower over the years and started with a 3 month cycle. XIV has already begun to got slower within its first year lol.

[Betelgeuzah]

Just because stats will have to be changed does not mean you cannot make the piece, the 3D model and show it to us. What does a battle system have anything to do with Chocobos? Or a Mail System or LS controls or Airships?

Nothing, which is why they have a lower priority until everything related to battle is finished. And there's a lot.

They added goblins into the existing area without adding them to any relative content. So your statement does not make any sense.

Depends on what you mean. I didn't know this game was in such a dire need for more normal monster types that they should be working on them instead of... pretty much everything else imaginable.

And as I said earlier, maybe in this post or not, a lot of issues seem to stem from not having enough people working on the game, which again makes no sense considering the dramatic pressure its under.

And as I said earlier, there is no problem to be had if they can keep their timeline. Once workforce is freed from developing everything battle related every other issue is a small fry in comparison. Due to the engine and server improvements also easier to implement.

[Firon]

They changed battle system Alpha to beta which in our representation is about 3 months, that was with the old core team.

First of all they had the beta battle system ready already just in case people didn't like the alpha version.

Edit: Indy games lol? my buddy works on stuff like Gears of war 3 he know's how much time it takes to test and get stuff ready

[Betelgeuzah]

They changed battle system Alpha to beta which in our representation is about 3 months

Yes, they implemented the stamina gauge and called it a day.

Dayum.

[viion]

Nothing, which is why they have a lower priority until everything related to battle is finished. And there's a lot.

But even still, the people who work on the Battle system should not be the same people who do the interface or create 3D Models. If you've got people multi-tasking as Jack-of-all-trades then no wonder this game is in such a bad state because joat employees suck.

For Alpha to Beta, even if they had the battle system ready, how long ready, double the time meaning 6 months of work, hmm seems no different from the new team!

Not only did they add Stamina they changed how attack works, changed action bar changed skill menus and during Alpha and Beta did several changes to how stat works regarding algorithms. I'd say about 6-7 updates worth of stat tweaking.


Anywho we keep going back and fourth with the same thing and the new battle system will be out this month, then there will be no more stupid "overhaul" excuses as it will of been done. And then we can see around Autum if they've picked up.

[Physic]

if you had fully grasped the post, you would have realized that the features need to be developed in parallel. You simply can't make a concept, and then build features one at a time based on said concept.

Why? Because concepts =/= reality. The feature you end up developing will never be like the one in the concept. When features need to work together this results in all the features working differently (= not working as planned, not working together, being a huge mess).

They develop everything that relates to each other at once. Then it is not merely the concept that works and looks good on paper, it's the end result that works too. When there's a problem with AA that affects other features, they are changed accordingly. At the end every feature is ready simultaneously and there are no issues to be had.

Features not related to combat in any way are in short supply. Because most features do, and those features have the priority from the whole team before anything else.

Lastly, I can't wait to hear what other MMO's have done this before (to which you surely base all your claims on). XI changed 2 handed calculations slightly once from what I recall. Woah.

ffxi battle changed just as much in less time and they had many other changes going on at the same time

http://zeusls.llima.net/download/ffxiupdatehistory.html. they are moving pretty slow, unless they have massive amount of content they are holding back, which is possible, but i wouldnt bet on it.

[Firon]

Betelgeuzah i think you should just leave it there cause Viion will never agree to anything you say. Simple Menu changes could take months cause the code could collide with tons of other things but people don't know that they just asume when you make xyz item its easy to implement in game.

Code is everything the same reason why after one update on XI SATA was working in front of mobs cause they didn't test it properly.

[Elexia]

...Why would we get new mobs without getting new areas?