Updates: FFXI and FFXIV, a comparison

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

The development to US what we get you're trying to twist what I mean.

They make stuff but it is not coming to us, and we've had nothing else. The development to our view is minimal, that is why I said if you dat mine or fileswap you will see theres been only 1 new mob. There might be loads behind the scenes but we dont know it so right now as far as facts concern what our gamefiles hold, the development team have made 1 mob.

Thats 1 single petty hardly used mob, on the entire live/public server that the development team have concentrated on regarding mobs. The rest pre-existing before Alpha. It can also be said the same for the quest system, its an identical ripoff to the already existing quest system classes had, so imo the development for "Implementation of Quest System" does not exist.

Ok, I just wanted you to admit that there could be more they're working on behind the scenes. But haven't you thought the reason why we haven't seen anything new in dats is because they know people are going to hack them? Also why put all this information on people hard drives when you're going to release it a year from now? Release it when you're going to implement it.

[viion]

Ok, I just wanted you to admit that there could be more they're working on behind the scenes. But haven't you thought the reason why we haven't seen anything new in dats is because they know people are going to hack them?

While true, why not post screenshots? they've posted 1 and it was ages ago. And even put up post of 1 dungeon in the Lodestone which has crappy images (to match the theme).

Goblin was never put in our files until day of release, but there are other mobs existing now in the files, couple even fully complete but they are not being used anywhere in the game, so its confusing.

Still as Warlyx and Wolfie are talking about, being this quiet, returning near nothing in information, the last post on lodestone is the last patch, makes game look very dead and like the dev team are not concerned. It doesnt seem like they're doing much behind the scenes.

Knowing my luck though I always state this then a fking news letter comes out after weekend. I know we wont get anything until Monday onwards because no one works during weekends in SE. Also with e3 I think things will be quiet.

[Warlyx]

if there is content behind scenes ,and its being tested.....
why dont post about it? screenshots? info? or its everything being changed everyday .....that SE cant post any news because isnt "final"...........

yeah that makes sense......

[Wolfie]

if there is content behind scenes ,and its being tested.....
why dont post about it? screenshots? info? or its everything being changed everyday .....that SE cant post any news because isnt "final"...........

yeah that makes sense......

Because there isn't any. That's why all their answers are "We'll look into it" or "We're planning this for the future".

[Warlyx]

so they are working on things, and none of them are working .........is delayed even more (chocobos 2012? are %$"$"$ kidding me ?) , is half implemented or whatever............cool ~~

betel , where are u getting this info ?

[Betelgeuzah]

so they are working on things, and none of them are working .........is delayed even more (chocobos 2012? are %$"$"$ kidding me ?) , is half implemented or whatever............cool ~~

betel , where are u getting this info ?

Lol

I am merely demonstrating what would happen if they were to release every adjustment separately. Adjustment that relates to multiple other features being worked on. And when a feature X being worked on needs to be changed, already implemented feature Y needs to be changed as well or they wouldn't work together.

Battle system and everything it entails
Job system
Items
Content
Crafting
Servers, engine

Everything relates to everything. If you change something on one feature, every other feature potentially needs to be changed. Thus you can't work on them separately based off concepts alone.

This seems to be really hard to grasp for some people.

[Wolfie]

so they are working on things, and none of them are working .........is delayed even more (chocobos 2012? are %$"$"$ kidding me ?) , is half implemented or whatever............cool ~~

betel , where are u getting this info ?

He posted a strawman argument about what it would look like if they released things unfinished.

Which begs the question, why is so little finished after such a long period of time? Or, where are features not related to the battle system, since Yoshi said there are multiple, specialized teams working on this game? Or, where are status updates on other things if they're not ready to be implemented yet?

Oh, that's right. They're not working on anything else.

[Betelgeuzah]

Which begs the question, why is so little finished after such a long period of time? Or, where are features not related to the battle system, since Yoshi said there are multiple, specialized teams working on this game? Or, where are status updates on other things if they're not ready to be implemented yet?

if you had fully grasped the post, you would have realized that the features need to be developed in parallel. You simply can't make a concept, and then build features one at a time based on said concept.

Why? Because concepts =/= reality. The feature you end up developing will never be like the one in the concept. When features need to work together this results in all the features working differently (= not working as planned, not working together, being a huge mess).

They develop everything that relates to each other at once. Then it is not merely the concept that works and looks good on paper, it's the end result that works too. When there's a problem with AA that affects other features, they are changed accordingly. At the end every feature is ready simultaneously and there are no issues to be had.

Features not related to combat in any way are in short supply. Because most features do, and those features have the priority from the whole team before anything else.

Lastly, I can't wait to hear what other MMO's have done this before (to which you surely base all your claims on). XI changed 2 handed calculations slightly once from what I recall. Woah.

[Physic]

if you had fully grasped the post, you would have realized that the features need to be developed in parallel. You simply can't make a concept, and then build features one at a time based on said concept.

Why? Because concepts =/= reality. The feature you end up developing will never be like the one in the concept. When features need to work together this results in all the features working differently (= not working as planned, not working together, being a huge mess).

They develop everything that relates to each other at once. Then it is not merely the concept that works and looks good on paper, it's the end result that works too. When there's a problem with AA that affects other features, they are changed accordingly. At the end every feature is ready simultaneously and there are no issues to be had.

Features not related to combat in any way are in short supply. Because most features do, and those features have the priority from the whole team before anything else.

Lastly, I can't wait to hear what other MMO's have done this before (to which you surely base all your claims on). XI changed 2 handed calculations slightly once from what I recall. Woah.

ffxi battle changed just as much in less time and they had many other changes going on at the same time

http://zeusls.llima.net/download/ffxiupdatehistory.html. they are moving pretty slow, unless they have massive amount of content they are holding back, which is possible, but i wouldnt bet on it.

[viion]

This whole overhaul excuse is about as much bullshit and overused nonsense as Beta was when the excuse was "Come release it will be better, this is beta theres no need for all content ^^" yah that worked out super great.

Overhauling a game engine has absolute NOTHING to do with making 3D Models, or Animation effects or.. sounds? lol.

"I cant make a new battle song! The VIT algorithm doesnt work and is VITAL TO THE KICK DRUM AHHHHH"