Updates: FFXI and FFXIV, a comparison

[Rinsui]

Um... actually they never gave any game play videos of anything you said....

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Announcing a feature =/= showing us concepts of said feature. They did announce their current plans back in the first producer's letter in January. They didn't speak of the concepts for obvious reasons, just like they didn't speak of the concepts for companies or wedding cakes.

Ayayay. So I DO know a bit more than you guys. So you didn't see the wedding cake/rocket launcher/ship battle trailer? Was it never officially released on the English site? Yes, Beetle, they did actually show them in the trailer and they did speak about them in the following press conference ^.^/

Give me a second, maybe I can still find it on youtube.

[Firon]

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Ayayay. So I DO know a bit more than you guys. So you didn't see the wedding cake/rocket launcher/ship battle trailer? Was it never officially released on the English site? Yes, Beetle, they did actually show them in the trailer and they did speak about them in the following press conference ^.^/

Give me a second, maybe I can still find it on youtube.

Well post us an link so we can see the trailer

[Betelgeuzah]

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Ayayay. So I DO know a bit more than you guys. So you didn't see the wedding cake/rocket launcher/ship battle trailer? Was it never officially released on the English site? Yes, Beetle, they did actually show them in the trailer and they did speak about them in the following press conference ^.^/

Give me a second, maybe I can still find it on youtube.

Yes, they showed us a slideshow with a pic of a cake and a boat. At that point it was clear what the features were all about.

Or not, lol :/

I don't think they talked about them at any point. They showed the vid and moved on. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

[Mack]

Also keep inmind that in 11 for the first 2 years there wasent much to do. Until RoZ came out. Hell Even Chocobos werent open until after a year and a half.

Who cares? why do we always dump this game's shortcomings because of what FFXI didn't do? IMO FFXIV should've been the equivalent of FFXI and 2 expansions at release and its quite clear why considering the game is still FTP.

[Physic]

Who cares? why do we always dump this game's shortcomings because of what FFXI didn't do? IMO FFXIV should've been the equivalent of FFXI and 2 expansions at release and its quite clear why considering the game is still FTP.

funny thing is the dude your quoting isnt even accurate, they had up to level 65, 4 ranks of tiered missions, 5 new jobs with quests, artifact armor quests, and chocobos came out at the very most within one month and a few days of release, this is if it wasnt in even before that
look at this quote

"- Fixed the bug that you still got attacked when riding a chocobo (Lmao...)."- 6/24/02
game came out 5/16/02

i dont know why people are making up information and posting it as fact, the truth is out there.
fact is FFXI was a release plagued with problems, reworks bad ideas, etc, and they fixed the game to basically Rotz within 11 months, even before rotz they had way more content than we have and will have by 1 year anniversary

[viion]

i dont know why people are making up information and posting it as fact, the truth is out there.
fact is FFXI was a release plagued with problems, reworks bad ideas, etc, and they fixed the game to basically Rotz within 11 months, even before rotz they had way more content than we have and will have by 1 year anniversary

And from that experience they learnt: nothing! And repeated.

[Physic]

And from that experience they learnt: nothing! And repeated.

they should have at least matched their update pace, if they were going to use the same plan.

[Rinsui]

Nono. If you agree that SE does not have anything worth showing yet, (after so many months)
I think I can live with your awkward and convoluted way to say so.

I disagree, however, that concepts are not worth showing.
Especially when customers demand so.

[Betelgeuzah]

Nono. If you agree that SE does not have anything worth showing yet, (after so many months)
I think I can live with your awkward and convoluted way to say so.

To be precise, they did not have anything worth showing, but now they do. Although we'll see it all this Summer, not just 1.18.

I disagree, however, that concepts are not worth showing.
Especially when customers demand so.

The problem is that what your concept is and what the features end up being like can be, and most often are two different entities. It doesn't necessarily mean worse, but at least different.

And in this industry, if your feature is different from the one you showed us during the conceptual stage, you are a liar. On top of the earlier information being pretty much useless in the current state of things.

Maybe for something smaller like a single feature within the game they can tell us more- but here they have a concept to reshape the game entirely. Yet those grand plans mean nothing if they can not meet them in practice, which is quite possible. If your feature is worse than you initially intended (due to unforeseen problems or delayed schedule), you ought to not tell your customers that. You show them what you have right there and then, and hope it will be successful. We don't need to know that it is a watered down version. It doesn't matter.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

I don't get it. Are people arguing that they don't have to wait for quality? How does that make any bit of sense?