DPS Output, Seeing where I stand.

[Waliel]

When Bard DPS is #1? Every place except Coil. Coupled with the fact that they don't have to stop moving allowing them to circumvent pretty much all mechanics while losing little to no DPS. THAT is why they are being nerfed.

They're not. I can out damage our 6pc 90 gear bard on every fight with my normal relic+all 70 BLM.

[Crazypluto]

[QUOTE=Exstal;1645329]I don't know if that's true. FFXI dictates SE isn't too keen on catering to casuals (SMN being trash for years). Catering to hardcore doesn't gain enough money. Only need to mildly keep them interested while making sure to get new players.

Where did you get this info?! FFXI has made SE more money then any other game they have ever made, go look it up.

[Songi]

They're not. I can out damage our 6pc 90 gear bard on every fight with my normal relic+all 70 BLM.

That's impressive considering I have yet to find any dps in DL or any 70 gear keep up with my bard. Then again, my server is pretty much a casual joke server at this point.

[Nuffy]

That's impressive considering I have yet to find any dps in DL or any 70 gear keep up with my bard. Then again, my server is pretty much a casual joke server at this point.

I think 70 is a bit of an overstatment, but an equally geared BLM should outdps a bard. "Should"

[pandabearcat]

Bards have the lowest damage output of all the TP users, unless every formula we know is wrong.

Also, here is another dps thread where there are zero parses.

Do yall know how to compare dps with proof?

AKA this thread isn't very helpful to anyone, doesn't answer OP's question, and yea I know I'm also part of the problem D=

But at least I know I'm just a theorycrafter.

[Exstal]

They're not. I can out damage our 6pc 90 gear bard on every fight with my normal relic+all 70 BLM.

Your Bard is bad.

I don't know if that's true. FFXI dictates SE isn't too keen on catering to casuals (SMN being trash for years). Catering to hardcore doesn't gain enough money. Only need to mildly keep them interested while making sure to get new players.

Where did you get this info?! FFXI has made SE more money then any other game they have ever made, go look it up.

It was in reference to catering to the balance issues that casuals would have encountered. They did something right to make existing players stay and hardcores not completely leave.

[Waliel]

Your Bard is bad.

Maybe /shrug. One thing that I find interesting, though, is that it depends on the parser. With the first one I do like 30 DPS more and he does around 10-20 less, leading to upwards of a 50 DPS difference, and with the second we are about even. At least in T1. Need to check that in other fights, too. Then again, when I test against dummies the DPS is about the same for both, maybe a 1-2 difference max.