Garuda lore mishap?

[SolusekRo]

Garuda returns in Final Fantasy XIV as the Primal worshiped by the Ixal, and is known as the Empress of Birds. It is said that in past ages, Garuda slew the malevolent Lord of Snakes to end his foul attempt to bind the world’s creatures to the earth. Though birds became free to roam the skies, Garuda was terribly wounded by the battle and was forced to feast upon the snake's carcass to recover her energies, said to have since then a taste for the flesh of land-bound mortals. This is the lore on Garuda on the wiki. Now we know the world snake Midgardsormr was killed ten years before 1.0 using the lore found on the wiki and the intro of 1.0 but world snake would be The Lord of the snakes correct? If so is Midgardsormr a "primal?" If not then he was killed twice ?

[Rocl]

We never received any more information on the Lord of Snakes than that one article. However given what little we know of Midgardsormr I'd say it's unlikely the two are related.

There is nothing in the game that hints at Midgardsormr being the Lord of Snakes.

[Skyhound]

According to the Gamerscape and the regular FFXIV wikia, Midgardsormr was not the Lord of Snakes nor was he the world snake. He was a dragon supposedly charged by Nymeia and Althyk to guard the waters of Silvertear Falls. When the Garleans attacked Mor Dhona, he burst out and led the Dravanian dragon hordes in battle against the Garlean Armada. The Dravanians viewed Midgardsormr as a king. That would have made him Lord of Dragons, but now that position is held by Nidhogg who still lives. I believe you're confusing the actual Midgardsormr with the FFXIV rendition of him.

I also don't see any mention of that Garuda story in any of the wikis. You sure that's how it went?

[Anonymoose]

As far as I can tell, the references to the Lord of Snakes were only ever mentioned on the Lodestone. If I had to guess, it was a little flavor text referencing a creation myth passed down among the Ixal.

[SolusekRo]

That's what I got from the final fantasy wiki. And grrr he should always be the world snake!!!!! GRRRR

[Duuude007]

In 1.0 lore, he was referenced as as "The Wyrmking Midgarsormr", not 'lord of snakes'. Pretty clear they are not the same thing.

Also, other lore clearly indicates that when a primal is defeated, its essence can be reconstituted again at a later time, allowing them to live again.

This both infers that Midgarsormr is not a primal, and that IF the lord of snakes is some sort of primal, we as players may encounter him in the future.

[SolusekRo]

Also, other lore clearly indicates that when a primal is defeated, its essence can be reconstituted again at a later time, allowing them to live again.
This both infers that Midgarsormr is not a primal, and that IF the lord of snakes is some sort of primal, we as players may encounter him in the future.

and where does King moogle mog thing stand with this tidbit of lore.....

[myahele]

Yeah there was a discussion a few pages back about that.

The general concensus is that as long as a person/thing is remembered by enough people + crystals + ascian summoning method = something like a primal.

It is thought the ascien method is corrupting.

This is just a theory, so only time will tell. But it would make sense if you take mog king into account.

[SolusekRo]

Ok ...then could we not see a return of Midgardsormr? dragons have a reason to summon him(thinking ahead to when ishgard becomes accessible) and the should be able to attain enough crystals. I am also sure everyone remembers that battle.

I love Bahamut and all but In the end I just want to battle Midgardsormr and Levi (which the later is coming out soon!!!)

[Wolfandre]

It seems as though Elder Primals are a different beast entirely. The name itself may well be a misnomer, as they are completely different from what we know as "Primals." Bahamut and Midgardsormr are Elder Primals, which from what I can tell, serve a specific purpose in regards to the balance of aether in Hydaelyn. Midgardsormr's corpse can still be seen in Mor Dhona and...

<Binding Coil spoilers>

...Bahamut is still lingering in pieces, but very much alive.

So it would seem that Elder Primals do not disperse their manifested aether like the Primals do, nor do they live in on in the Lifestream, as it is thought that the Primals do. I do not believe Midgardsormr can be summoned again in his former form, nor do I believe that he would retain anything that resembles his previous station as guardian over Silvertear Lake (meaning, whatever that made him special and specific to do that job is lost and probably would not be able to be recreated through a summoning).

I think, if I am allowed to make a FFVII parallel here, that Elder Primals are Hydaelyn's "Weapons." Intended to do good and protect, but just wind up mucking everything up and can't be replaced.

EDIT: Although, at the end of all that, I just thought of Odin, which blows my entire logic train out of the water. Oh well. I'm leaving it there. For posterity!