Enough complaining already

[Renshi]

i think even the biggest "troll" made a lot of good and plenty suggestions. But the lack of answers doenst really encourage someone to add even more input... does it? its their job in the end and looking at their community interaction, 80-90% of all suggestions are not even discussed... So why bother? The players want to be entertained... And they pay for it...
They (the players) already "worked" much more then what should be needed to make a successeful mmo.

Well, better than asking for nothing, rite?
We can't ask them to tell us if our ideas are garbage. They just have to not post in similar threads where Yoshi-P doesn't like the suggestion. If he likes it, Devs will post in that thread.
We can't decide what Yoshi-P wants to take as a good suggestion. We are no one to decide that. We can just fortify our suggestion.

[Anty]

Well, better than asking for nothing, rite?
We can't ask them to tell us if our ideas are garbage. They just have to not post in similar threads where Yoshi-P doesn't like the suggestion. If he likes it, Devs will post in that thread.
We can't decide what Yoshi-P wants to take as a good suggestion. We are no one to decide that. We can just fortify our suggestion.

looking at the dev tags we can only suggest what they want us to suggest... and looking at what people wanted about how quest shoudl look like and they turned out to be one of the worst quests possible in all aspects with not a single new or good idea in it (and i read so many GREAT suggestions about quests, which would be perfeclty doable without much hasstle)... well that showed how "much" they really read. That's my major complaint about them. And i don't really think Yoshi actually is reading the posts... he has other things to do.

[Renshi]

looking at the dev tags we can only suggest what they want us to suggest... and looking at what people wanted about how quest shoudl look like and they turned out to be one of the worst quests possible in all aspects with not a single new or good idea in it (and i read so many GREAT suggestions about quests, which would be perfeclty doable without much hasstle)... well that showed how "much" they really read. That's my major complaint about them. And i don't really think Yoshi actually is reading the posts... he has other things to do.

He isn't. The dev team is telling him the best ideas they find, then it seems that weekly they tell Yoshi-P what they've found, most-requested or good ideas.

[Anty]

He isn't. The dev team is telling him the best ideas they find, then it seems that weekly they tell Yoshi-P what they've found, most-requested or good ideas.

yeah and exactly that is my problem... so many people put their suggestions on this board to be filtered by ... like 5 people with their very special own tastes... and they might not be very objective in the end since they work for this company... many of their posts seem like crowd control rather then answers to suggestions.

[Renshi]

yeah and exactly that is my problem... so many people put their suggestions on this board to be filtered by ... like 5 people with their very special own tastes... and they might not be very objective in the end since they work for this company... many of their posts seem like crowd control rather then answers to suggestions.

You're right, but they are considering what Yoshi-P likes of our suggestions. Then they post on that specific thread if the head likes it. If not, they just leave it alone. Get into the clothes of the moderators, they're doing their job.

[Bled]

You're right, but they are considering what Yoshi-P likes of our suggestions. Then they post on that specific thread if the head likes it. If not, they just leave it alone. Get into the clothes of the moderators, they're doing their job.

This quote above is just one of many that follows the line of thinking that the Rep's are actually doing their job and that there piss poor performance has actually been adequate. I feel that the community as a whole has been turned blind to what a good community rep or rep's are.

It is no surprise that besides FF XIV, i much like other people participate in other Massively Multiplayer games. Aside from FFXIV i play HoN or Heroes of Newerth. Now what is the point to bringing this up well S2 is a small indie company and i want to compare there community reps to SE's FF XIV community rep.

The average response from the FF XIV community reps I'm sure we all know whether or not we like it or not is "we will look into it" or Thank you for bringing this to our attention", you now some pretty cut-and-paste crowd control tactics.

Now here is a thread i participated in on the HoN forum page if you want the link, http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/sh...d.php?t=235523

If you did not read and follow the link, after a heated debate which actually has been reduced by the mods community reps immediately responded, here are a few responses:

1. from the GM: "It's really nice to see some constructive points and discussion in one of these threads. They usually turn into a giant mess of trolls and nonsense."

2. from a senior GM: "Do not worry, your heated debate was not in vain."

3. continued from senior GM: "I'm currently writing a formatting a giant thread that I will present to the admins, and this thread gave me a few good points to add."

4. continued from enior GM: "I'm not a 1 man army with the power to change the internet for the better, I just do my part and hopefully thats enough :/ Also, I don't think we will ever disclose the status of someone's account. I worked on an alternative idea though, one that doesn't cause legal issues. Hopefully it'll go through."

As you can plainly see FFXIV Community Reps, are mostly ghosts, who have an automated response to a majority of things which makes you feel your talking to an answering machine rather another human being. If i were to ever see the kind of Community Rep's that i see in HoN in FF XIV i would be pleasantly surprised. Not having adequate Community Rep's is not only a bad image for a company as large as SE but is also detrimental to the community as a whole.

Pointing out these vary flaws is not only necessary for the game to grow, but is necessary for establishing what a good game needs in general.