Thread: Ranged DPS, what's gonna be the highest after 2.1?

Originally Posted by Devaking55

It doesn't as it's on a gcd like everything else >.> makes you mobile that's for sure

So, we're expected to believe that replacing a 150 potency, 2.5 second cast costing a lot of MP with a 220 potency, instant cast costing no MP is somehow not a DPS gain?

I know I'm not a BLM, but there are very, very few cases where pushing the shiny button that gives you more damage at less cost is a bad thing.

Originally Posted by Devaking55

It doesn't as it's on a gcd like everything else >.> makes you mobile that's for sure

Lol?
You are aware that even if thundercloud procs the following Thunder III(why use any other) runs on the gcd as well?
Firestarter procs are clearly DPS increments simply due to the free insta-cast'd Fire III which is stronger than Fire. It also allows you to stay in Astral Fire III with an additional Fire to cast each proc which is where majority of your damage comes from.

Heavy movement = bard
AoE = Blm
Multitarget/single target with high uptime = Smn

This is exactly how they are now and bard is the only ranged job getting adjustments and it is only a very minor nerf.

Boss w/o little to no phase changes - SMN
Boss W/ multiple phase changes - BLK

Originally Posted by Kryzen

Boss w/o little to no phase changes - SMN
Boss W/ multiple phase changes - BLK

Why would a phase change matter?

Originally Posted by T0rin

Why would a phase change matter?

Not playing either class, I'm guessing a BLM could use any invuln phases to switch to Umbral and regen MP, allowing them to minimize their down time.

Smn out dps blm by quite a bit on single targets.

though yes. Blm goes through trash mobs like a hot knife though butter :P

It's really close at the moment tbh between SMN and BLM. Due to the fact that certain fights benefit certain classes, it really doesn't matter as long as your players have a complete understanding of their class and are doing the best dps that they can in that encounter despite any shortcomings due to mechanics. On a patchwerk style fight with 1 mob or a heavy AOE fight, I would probably say BLM. Where, on a fight like T1, I would probably say SMN. And finally, if mana song wasn't necessary, a bard may take top dps on a fight where mobility is high, but even then a good blm may still take top.

It's hard to give a concrete answer on threads like this because to be honest dps on a target dummy doesn't matter, it matters in actual encounters where mechanics may hinder or benefit certain classes.

So "it depends."

I don't think you all realize how summoners work.

On any fight where targets last longer than 20-30 seconds, summoners are at optimal dps.

So "phase changes" unless they are extremely rapid, or happen at terrible times (such as right after DoT application) don't really mean anything.

BLM actually wins on extended (read: like 6 minutes nonstop) fights hands down, because again infinite resource you stupid developers >.>

And SMN wins cleave.

I don't think we have enough data to say whether one is better than the other on single target standstill fights though.