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    Quote Originally Posted by Atma View Post
    I could see maybe something like this being implemented.

    Way, way down the line.

    The simple problem with your idea, Areeya, is that right now, right now, FFXIV needs an extremely solid foundation on which to lay the framework for esoteric things like this. It may have appeal, but to what portion of the player base?

    The majority of MMO players become very attached to their avatar, in a sense it becomes an idealized projection of themselves. I don't think there would be a high demand for this sort of thing in the beginning, because it in essence takes that away. I will use druids in wow as my example - until they were made completely, mind-numbingly overpowered, they were the least played class in the game. And so many complained about the shifting aspect of the class's visual aspect, in the most recent expansion one of the trees's shifting style abilities were removed so that it spent the majority of time in the player's base form.

    I think that we need to see a solid representation of the fundamental classes, and then a branching of other classes that have large fanbases from the franchise that have never seen an implementation in the MMO side, such as geomancer, chemist, etc first. I think there's a market for this style of play, I just see it as a 3rd or 4th expansion pack, not an "oh my god, we need to get this game fixed yesterday" class concept.
    I can't find anywhere in this thread where I said this should be a "As soon as possible" or "oh my god, we need to get this game fixed yesterday" implementation.

    I am a realist and I understand to a certain degree that this game will take awhile to mature before we can see content of this magnitude.

    As far as "The majority of MMO players..." go: I doubt one person has the wisdom or capability to speak on their behalf

    Let the Devs decide how and when to best implement this concept.

    P.S.: Enjoy the post count increase and thanks for the positive reinforcement of this topic
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    Quote Originally Posted by AreeyaJaidee View Post
    I can't find anywhere in this thread where I said this should be a "As soon as possible" or "oh my god, we need to get this game fixed yesterday" implementation.
    That's true, however it in no way alters my assertion. To clarify, if this is not something intended to be pitched as something for "recent content", then by the time it reaches something that might be feasible, it will have been forgotten. Thus, discussing it now is, effectively, pointless.

    As far as "The majority of MMO players..." go: I doubt one person has the wisdom or capability to speak on their behalf
    In most capacities, this is a true statement. However, I think you're pushing it to disagree that "The majority of MMO players are very attached to their avatar." If this wasn't a true statement, games wouldn't need character creation processes like FFXIV, games like WOW wouldn't need a barber shop, and people would not have raised a 3000 post tirade when they reduced the size of Orc shoulder pads by 15%. Games would not need options to hide one's cloak or helmet, and most have these (FFXIV is working on implementing it at this moment). Sorry, but no. The majority of MMO players DO care about their avatar's appearance, and if they didn't, we'd have have about 10 fixed avatar appearance options in FFXIV - and believe me, this would save on system resources immensely. The reason we have CHOICE is because it's something people CARE about.

    Let the Devs decide how and when to best implement this concept.
    As someone who purchased the game and is eagerly awaiting changes to see if they can make it worth coming back to, I reserve the right to post with my opinions. Based on your other posts in the thread, it is quite clear that you are only interested in hearing the opinions of people who agree with you that this is a "cool idea.", or finding ways to attack those who don't. You are visibly disinterested in entertaining even the slightest notion that the game is not ready for you idea, or that the idea just doesn't fit into the game.

    So, I'll throw it out just a few major flaws in your idea, and let you reconcile them:

    Attunement will increase while the transformation is active and player engaged in combat. Every minute the attunement will increase.
    How does this addressed during solo gameplay, such as when running between spawn points, getting to combat areas, etc? Is the "morpher" just up a crick if they get ambushed unprepared? Do I spend the majority of that spawn point just building up to where I'm effective, only to lose that edge as soon as I have to move on? What happens if I switch forms, do I start over? What limits my time transformed? How is this class balanced so that it is not just better then everyone else at high levels of "attunement" and worse then everyone else at low levels of attunement?

    There will be a rage meter.
    The rage meter will Fill based on it's Mode.
    Why is there a need for a "rage bar" when you already have a time in combat measured mechanic?

    There will be several Modes:
    -Defender: rage meter fills when you take damage.
    -Reaver: rage meter fills when you give damage.
    -Lunatic(available only to highly attuned forms): liken to defender yet applies to damage any party member takes.
    -Angst(available only to highly attuned forms): liken to Reaver yet applies to damages any party member gives.

    The rage meter will begin to deplete once the player has transformed.
    What does this rage meter even do? What is it's purpose? How much UI work is required to implement a "variable mode rage bar"? It depletes when I am transformed, yet I have to have high attunement, aka "be transformed" to possibly get to the higher tiers? Do you know that balancing your "Lunatic" and "Angst" concepts is realistically impossible, due to the fact that every party is different, buffs will vary, etc?

    There will be two modes of stance: standing(biPed) and all fours(quadPed). The player will be able to switch between these at will.
    What mechanical purpose does this intend to serve? Considering that you are placing two or three times the burden on the art team at this point, it needs to be a significant aspect of the class, not just "oh I thought it was cool"

    As the players attunement increases: various aspects of the form will change.
    The form will become bigger and bulky if the players actions during attunement are more defensive.

    The form will become more muscled and remain slender if the players actions during attunement are more offensive.
    Ok, so now just to have you on my screen, I need to have anywhere between, hypothetically, 8 and 16 forms cached. assuming there's, just to pick a random number, 4 levels for each, then I need biped and quadruped versions of each. Every single one of those meshes and textures needs to be cached to allow for any form of seamless transition between them, otherwise you'll disappear, or you'll force disk reads in the middle of combat situations, which is something that should be avoided in every case even possible. This is a large amount of data for a single class to be caching, in a game that is already intense on system resources. How do you possibly rectify this with the PS3 version? How do you reconcile such a major investment of the art team for a single, high level, hard to access class?

    Basically, at the end of the day, the depth of your post amounts to "I think it'd be cool to have a class that can transform into monsters!"
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