Coil Turn 5 /weapon level 95 logic

[Alkar]

So good king moogle mog is easier than titan hm (Yoshida puts it as above garuda hm in difficulty, but below titan hm), but gives a better weapon than titan hm?

Can someone explain this logic to me?

Titan is required for relic progression (which can be upgraded to ilvl90 unlike moogle weapons) and Moogle is simply a way to make Titan easier because you can fight him with better weapons. The weapons dropped by Titan were nothing more than something to show off anyway so even if Moogle is better who cares? People would rather get their relic instead of spamming Titan hoping for a drop.

[MMONSTER]

They should redistribute the loot, its currently dumb anyway. Drg drops way too common. Each turn should have specific equipment slot 1 chest for mnk+drg+tank loot other chest for mage+brd+healer loot. 4 brd drops in turn 5 is ridiculous lol.

AF+1 is welfare gear to let you be able to attempt content. It shouldnt be BiS -.-. Until its harder to acquire. Though currently brd af+1 is better then allagan?

Thank you, that's what I am getting at, T5 isn't easy, and 33% of the available drops for BRD come from it and it isn't even BiS, this is a fail, it would make more sense that jewelry drops from T1, feet and hands and belt from T2, and chest and legs from T4 since this is what is progressively more difficult and progressively has the larger stat differences, 1 drop on some Turns for some jobs while 3 or 4 for others is retardedly disproportionate since not all turns are of equal difficulty.

[sharazisspecial]

Thank you, that's what I am getting at, T5 isn't easy, and 33% of the available drops for BRD come from it and it isn't even BiS, this is a fail, it would make more sense that jewelry drops from T1, feet and hands and belt from T2, and chest and legs from T4 since this is what is progressively more difficult and progressively has the larger stat differences, 1 drop on some Turns for some jobs while 3 or 4 for others is retardedly disproportionate since not all turns are of equal difficulty.

Even though i havent seen much whm loot.
I am lucky as a whm. Turn 5 drops weapon and pants.
I got the allagan weapon drop and the pants are worse then af+1 so i don't need Twintania anymore.
Sch is in the same boat. Their af+1 is equal in stats

My poor brd sister hasnt even gotten 1 brd loot drop in 5 attempts and as bard 4 items drop there lol.

Very unfair design SE has done.

[diulalasing]

So good king moogle mog is easier than titan hm (Yoshida puts it as above garuda hm in difficulty, but below titan hm), but gives a better weapon than titan hm?

Can someone explain this logic to me?

The only way to explain this is beating Titan allows you to unlock also a ilvl 80 weapon which is upgradable to ilvl 90

But yes, Moogle should have been ilvl 70...

[Tupsi]

I'm pretty sure SE has learned their lesson from FFXI. The relic +1 weapon will be used to obtain a weapon that's higher than ilvl 95 in the future which will probably be so difficult that you HAVE to have the Allagan weapon.

Yoshi didn't play XI and it's pretty apparent with some features missing from ARR's base version

The only way to explain this is beating Titan allows you to unlock also a ilvl 80 weapon which is upgradable to ilvl 90

But yes, Moogle should have been ilvl 70...

Actually, Moogle should be i80 considering the fight is much more difficult/complex (in a sense) than say Garuda. They came before in 1.0 but their weapons were actually better than a few Garuda weapons depending on your present setup. In ARR they also were better than Garuda's for many, so raising to i80 makes perfect sense, though I speak as a legacy player, I don't think Cerberus is a legacy world so you likely haven't gotten ARR experience with the weapon vs current primals (with I believe Titan's being better depending on your focus.)

[NyneAlexander]

I think you answered your own question. Bard has 4 items that drop in turn 5. If you think about that for a second, you'll see that means bard would have 4 level 95 items whereas the other classes would only have 2. I assume they chose weapons because it is an easy change that affects all jobs equally.

Except for black mage. The BLM allagan weapon is 1H meaning you need the shield to compensate for the stat loss. The shield, as far as I know, is not getting a buff, and hasn't even been confirmed to drop anywhere in coil. Not to mention that BLM needs to win TWO separate drops to be on par with everyone elses ONE drop.

[Lithera]

Shields take up the offhand slot which can be classed as a weapon, but if that BLM shield IS a coil drop it would have to be Turn 5. Given it has a WHM counterpart I don't think it's a coil drop.

[Arcturius]

Good king moogle mog gives ilvl 80 weapons I think they said which is on par with relic NQ and Titan weapons.

titan weapons are i lvl 70 so they are not on par with relic or moogle mog weapon.

[Naunet]

If that were true then only Coil would drop myth tomes. The truth is they're welfare epix so that everyone that plays can have the best gear with little to no effort.

I would not be wearing the best gear if I decked myself out in full mythology tome gear. BiS involves a mix of Allagan and myth gear.

Think of the ilvl 90 tomestone stuff as a means to alleviate a string of nasty loot RNG.

That said, I do think it's pretty ridiculous how the BRD gear is distributed in Coil.

[Orophin]

The dev team's ideology has always been that the best gear will drop from the hardest content available. Twintania will be the hardest fight around for the next 3 or so months and so they want the weapon rewards to be a little more meaningful than doing quests that can be completed mostly through the Duty Finder or bought by merc groups.

The result of the weapon going from 90 to 95 will probably be an extra point or two of weapon/spell damage and a couple points to main and auxiliary stats.