Coil Turn 5 /weapon level 95 logic

[Themis]

Too bad they didn't raise Crystal Tower item level and difficulty above Coil1-4, that's the place that's being wasted for lack of motivation to do.

You have to remember that CT was never designed to be as difficult, or harder, than Coil. It was delayed from launch because it was deemed to be too difficult. Also have to remember the this patch isn't aimed at those who regularly do Coil, but for those who are getting to that point - the additional content does benefit those players, but not as much as new players coming up to the end of the main story scenario.

Personally, I'm looking forward to doing CT, and I do Coil. The reason is quite simply that I play other classes, too, and this gives the option to gear those up to a reasonable level which greatly encourages the Armoury System - which isn't a system that allows you to immediately have all Jobs geared up the best in the same space of time, nor should you; you'll always have a priority/main Job that you play and will gear up the best first, and then the others will follow over time. This was the same in XI, in that you would normally pick a single Job to gear up, and then gear up additional classes when that content offered nothing for your main one.

Yes, it's the old FFXI mentality. If these weapons would be called AF weapons (as they where tentatively called) no one would never argue about being "something there should be exclusive, best in slot forever"

I tend to see them more as AF weapons than relics. They are "relics" in the sense that they once belonged to a notable person, and were lost and then reforged. I would like to see them being harder to upgrade in the future, or for new weapons that really do match the XI style of relics, in that they are highly valuable trophies as well as useful weapons, that will only be obtained by the really dedicated. There's a big sense of awe and achievement when you see people with weapons you can only dream of getting. It doesn't need to be as silly as XI relics, but it should be a commitment to create.

[Fusionx]

Maybe this is an old FFXI mentality, but shouldn't "relic" weapons be the ultimate weapons that players can acquire? What's the point if these allagan weapons get an ilvl boost? At least add something in with the extreme mode primals to let us +2 our relics or something.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

Maybe this is an old FFXI mentality, but shouldn't "relic" weapons be the ultimate weapons that players can acquire?

Yes, it's the old FFXI mentality. If these weapons would be called AF weapons (as they where tentatively called) no one would never argue about being "something there should be exclusive, best in slot forever"

[zdub303]

Maybe this is an old FFXI mentality, but shouldn't "relic" weapons be the ultimate weapons that players can acquire? What's the point if these allagan weapons get an ilvl boost? At least add something in with the extreme mode primals to let us +2 our relics or something.

Hopefully they've learned their lesson with how pitifully easy +1 relic was to acquire. The mist should have dropped in turn 4, at around 3-4 of them per week. Relic +2 shouldn't drop anywhere before turn 8 and preferably turn 9 come 2.2.

If you want them to be the absolute best in the game, then they should drop from the hardest content. In that case turn 5 for +1 and turn 10 (supposedly) for +2 and absolutely no earlier.

[Luminessence]

Maybe this is an old FFXI mentality, but shouldn't "relic" weapons be the ultimate weapons that players can acquire? What's the point if these allagan weapons get an ilvl boost? At least add something in with the extreme mode primals to let us +2 our relics or something.

I can agree with this, even a unique weapon skill hailing from the symbolic reference (Excalibur - Knights of The Round, for example) would be a pretty nice way to spruce up Relics. Or even an "Occasionally enhances Jump effect" or "Cure effect" would be interesting.

I feel they're losing their value quite quickly, I understand the game is still getting onto its feet, but relics are meant to be the ultimate manifestations of strength of the soul of the job one is playing.

[Tupsi]

I can agree with this, even a unique weapon skill hailing from the symbolic reference (Excalibur - Knights of The Round, for example) would be a pretty nice way to spruce up Relics. Or even an "Occasionally enhances Jump effect" or "Cure effect" would be interesting.

I feel they're losing their value quite quickly, I understand the game is still getting onto its feet, but relics are meant to be the ultimate manifestations of strength of the soul of the job one is playing.

Yeah, the Relics in 1.2x used to do this and we had gear which originally enhances effects, i.e original Darklight for mages enhanced Regen effect and regen didn't originally make monsters want to hate you outright (it worked like regen in XI.)

[Pinworms]

Can't blame Titan kill sells completely. Those contributed to only a fraction of the populace in getting their relics...the baddies or the ones that group with baddies. I dont think anyone can even begin to guess how many people actually bought their win. While it plays a part, I think it was just a small part of the overall picture.

[Darkshneider]

Im fine with them making them i95.gives me a greater psush to do twintania..also some people are so melodramatic "oh,now my relic is useless" useless means 0 dmg,0 stats.Im perfectly happy with my relic,and it will serve me well nontheless.

[Lunavi]

This is not a "problem" for me though :P LoliLvl70 shield takes away all possible advantages an iLvl 95 weapon would give anyway... Seriously.. Ancient Buckler plz?

[Serdapi]

Anybody caring that the hardest fight in the game drops the best weapon is just jelly.