Coil = Segregation

[illriginalized]

in my FFXIV play time i been solo like 90% of my time and thats since 2010. you dont need a LS/FC to get stuff done. i just got a new one looks easy going but serious, most "guilds" are full of crybabys and say they are not elites but they are and you happen to be in one of them.

if you know how to play the game thats all that matters, no one wants a geared noob.

100% solo or using shout groups / DF. And a very very slow process might I add.

You've never played an MMO in the end game before have you?

FFXI... Yes, I have. And never had a problem like FFXIV.

I don't see this as trolling. I think he has a legit concern.

You are telling him to leave his FC in order to join another FC.

He has a good point. The limitations put in by SE on coil does create friction among FC members. If you want to progress on coil, a group must be on the same levels and can't go back. What this means is you can't pick ppl from your own FC to bring them to your level. Meaning, that only a set core of 8 within the FC can participate. What this cause is that those that want to participate won't be able unless there are another set of 8 that can enter. But not all people are on the same level of skill or schedule.

Some can go at certain time, others can't go everyday, etc... So, it's very hard to coordinate a group that has the same schedule, gear ready, and other factors.

For example, if you have a set of 8 that goes on a set day and time, and let's say this group is on turn 4, but one member had an RL event or emergency and doesn't log in that day. The static group, have some choice, they can ask someone in the FC or shout, but what if those in the FC are all locked on turn 5, and some are on turn 1, now those on turn 1 can say they can go, but they are now locked from getting into turn 1-2 and missing on getting gear for that week. Those on turn 5 can't go due to the lock. Now, if the group can't get anyone because of these conditions, then there's no choice but to shout. What if these member missing from the party is a tank or healer, these are essential to succeed in coil.

There are other scenarios, but my point is that coil only separate players, instead of bringing them together and enjoy the game. Yes, this is a GAME, it's suppose to be fun for people.

Yes... this. There's so many variables in this equation and SE pretty much made it a mission just trying to prepare a group.


And the people who are telling players like myself to depend on shouts.. yeah thanks, most times shout parties has at least one player that in the end causes the party to break or at the very least have them replaced.

Some of you were privileged to get into a functional FC, I have no beef with that at all. Congrats! But most likely your other LS members see you as part of an inner circle. In the long run they're going to feel unwanted and become an introvert with the LS and probably move onto another LS / FC.


And if anyone is going to reply with, "oh well, so be it." Then you seriously lack social skills and more than likely have no social life outside of the digital world.

Just sayin'

[OPneedNerfs]

FCs are USELESS for coil. Our group was formed from pure randoms who got together it's more of a problem of finding skilled players. Its not easy, trust me, in the process of forming up the 8 we have, there have been MANY bad players who don't have a clue how to play their class yet are decked in myth. If you keep at it, you'll eventually find a group of people who don't suck.

[Laiyenu]

Some of you were privileged to get into a functional FC, I have no beef with that at all. Congrats! But most likely your other LS members see you as part of an inner circle. In the long run they're going to feel unwanted and become an introvert with the LS and probably move onto another LS / FC.

My FC has 5 people in it, We are the Inner circle! We use a LS to fill our gaps. How are you still complaining? it sounds like your unhappy with your FC so leave it, if your unhappy with your LS leave it, Make your OWN. I know this is a hard concept but here's how you do it, 2 tanks 2 healers , rest DPS (pref 1 mnk or Goon and 1 bard), it would also help to watch some tut vids on coil so you know the basics. There ya go have fun!

And if anyone is going to reply with, "oh well, so be it." Then you seriously lack social skills and more than likely have no social life outside of the digital world.

Just sayin'

Your sounding real pitiful right now, Just sayin.

[Vactus]

FFXI experience... Not the most hopping of a resume. So while the answer is technically yes, it's still no

Why don't create a new LS or have your FC recruit for another static? It's not rare for FCs to have more than one group or supplement with LS. Basically you want 9man content or content designed with your FC size in mind.

Complaining that you're the odd man out does you no good. Do something about it. That is really the only useful answer you will get.

[illriginalized]

My FC has 5 people in it, We are the Inner circle! We use a LS to fill our gaps. How are you still complaining? it sounds like your unhappy with your FC so leave it, if your unhappy with your LS leave it, Make your OWN. I know this is a hard concept but here's how you do it, 2 tanks 2 healers , rest DPS (pref 1 mnk or Goon and 1 bard), it would also help to watch some tut vids on coil so you know the basics. There ya go have fun!



Your sounding real pitiful right now, Just sayin.

You're missing the point. This situation wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for SE and their idiotic ideas such as the limitations applied to Coil. The very fact that it's not versatile in the sense being able to do Coil 1 multiple times or Coil 5 multiple times, whatever, that alone causes a split between members of the community. An LS and even an FC is supposed to promote unity with a purpose.. but Coil and its limitations is simply a contradiction to the idea.

Your sounding real pitiful right now, Just sayin.

Perfect example of what I just said. You don't care to reason, instead of tackling an issue at hand that SE has created, you rather find a band-aid, and if someone doesn't agree with you.. you simply attack them. lol

But I'm pitiful.

[Laiyenu]

You're missing the point. This situation wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for SE and their idiotic ideas such as the limitations applied to Coil. The very fact that it's not versatile in the sense being able to do Coil 1 multiple times or Coil 5 multiple times, whatever, that alone causes a split between members of the community. An LS and even an FC is supposed to promote unity with a purpose.. but Coil and its limitations is simply a contradiction to the idea.

Your OP needs an edit then, it just makes you sound whiny, re-title it "make coil have no lockout but you only get gear once a week", not, "FC should be limited to 24 people to help promote community".

[Wyyote]

Congrats! But most likely your other LS members see you as part of an inner circle. In the long run they're going to feel unwanted and become an introvert with the LS and probably move onto another LS / FC.

And if anyone is going to reply with, "oh well, so be it." Then you seriously lack social skills and more than likely have no social life outside of the digital world.

Just sayin'

But your argument makes it sound like SE has made this a game breaking problem for you. People are just highlighting what options you have. Take the advice if you want to party, and change how you want to approach the situation. Or don't - and continue to have challenges finding effective groups. The one constant in all aspects of the problem is you. Might need to reflect on that a little before you blame the developers.

[allluckys]

Basically I'll flat out say it they do the lock outs to prevent carries

[Dacen_Drg]

Ill, I don't feel like we left you behind, we've been doing coil for about 2 months, and you just got relic+ 1 about a week ago. But I do agree that the lock out sucks.

I am also making this post on behalf of our FC leader:

Heya Ill, can't post this on my own for various reasons, but I do still read the forums.

As Leader of the FC I'm just going to start off saying I apologize that we can't accommodate for everyone when it comes to Coil. You are correct in pointing out that coil is designed in contradiction to what FC's and LS's stand for. That's part of what makes them so difficult to manage and accomplish.
I will also point out that while our LS does have 80+ members, only about 18-22 people can be considered 'coil ready', and only 12-16 can be considered active during primetime hours. That's 2 coil groups plus a little runover. One group formed around a circle of friends who played well together, my group formed out of necessity. There were several of our members who decided to find their own statics, and that's fine as well.

When it comes to choosing who goes, we want to pick people whom we know are available, are well geared, and know what they're doing. It's possible that people who fit all those categories are left out. That's something I had a really hard time coming to terms with as Lead. I hate it, it sucks, it goes against my personal mandate of helping others. I don't want to leave people out but it's by game design. If we decide to start coil on Monday and get to turn 4, whoever is not there will either have to skip to turn 4, missing out on all the drops from 1 and 2, or form/join another group to get up to turn 4.

So I'm not surprised in the slightest that you switched to a new FC. As the game stands at the moment, FC's and LS's are simply tools for social interaction in the game. If you're not getting what you want out of a group, you find another. It's unfortunate, but you do what you gotta if you want to play Coil.

[joshdavis271]

Most people take those who knows coil before, leaving newbies out, this includes pugs. so Like all things we form parties for, you have to take the initiative and form your own static, in the LS that I run with I'm just a fill in for I'm still new to most turns of coil, so if I wanted to get serious with coil I would have to build my own static.