Coil = Segregation

[illriginalized]

My FC has 5 people in it, We are the Inner circle! We use a LS to fill our gaps. How are you still complaining? it sounds like your unhappy with your FC so leave it, if your unhappy with your LS leave it, Make your OWN. I know this is a hard concept but here's how you do it, 2 tanks 2 healers , rest DPS (pref 1 mnk or Goon and 1 bard), it would also help to watch some tut vids on coil so you know the basics. There ya go have fun!



Your sounding real pitiful right now, Just sayin.

You're missing the point. This situation wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for SE and their idiotic ideas such as the limitations applied to Coil. The very fact that it's not versatile in the sense being able to do Coil 1 multiple times or Coil 5 multiple times, whatever, that alone causes a split between members of the community. An LS and even an FC is supposed to promote unity with a purpose.. but Coil and its limitations is simply a contradiction to the idea.

Your sounding real pitiful right now, Just sayin.

Perfect example of what I just said. You don't care to reason, instead of tackling an issue at hand that SE has created, you rather find a band-aid, and if someone doesn't agree with you.. you simply attack them. lol

But I'm pitiful.

[Laiyenu]

You're missing the point. This situation wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for SE and their idiotic ideas such as the limitations applied to Coil. The very fact that it's not versatile in the sense being able to do Coil 1 multiple times or Coil 5 multiple times, whatever, that alone causes a split between members of the community. An LS and even an FC is supposed to promote unity with a purpose.. but Coil and its limitations is simply a contradiction to the idea.

Your OP needs an edit then, it just makes you sound whiny, re-title it "make coil have no lockout but you only get gear once a week", not, "FC should be limited to 24 people to help promote community".

[Wyyote]

Congrats! But most likely your other LS members see you as part of an inner circle. In the long run they're going to feel unwanted and become an introvert with the LS and probably move onto another LS / FC.

And if anyone is going to reply with, "oh well, so be it." Then you seriously lack social skills and more than likely have no social life outside of the digital world.

Just sayin'

But your argument makes it sound like SE has made this a game breaking problem for you. People are just highlighting what options you have. Take the advice if you want to party, and change how you want to approach the situation. Or don't - and continue to have challenges finding effective groups. The one constant in all aspects of the problem is you. Might need to reflect on that a little before you blame the developers.

[SarcasmMisser]

And if anyone is going to reply with, "oh well, so be it." Then you seriously lack social skills and more than likely have no social life outside of the digital world.

Just sayin'

Huh? I'm not sure I understand you here but the people who show the most indifference to online game social circles are the ones with no social lives rather than the ones who brood over them and treats it as such a big deal that someone was picked last for the fantasy football team?

Statics and cliques exist precisely because most players have a life outside the game and they want to make their game time as efficient and painless as possible.

[OrionInerghem]

The problem I see is that a lot of Coil groups are making FC's, when they should be making LS's.

I've had some people leave my FC, for these Coil FC's, but I have to wonder how well they'll fair with the upcoming housing, CT, and once one of those 8 people decided they've got all the i90 gear they want. I highly doubt a lot of those FCs will still be going strong before 2.2 lands. It will probably even be worse because very little new endgame coming until the coil in 2.2.


I've had a few people ask to come back to my FC, but we're still gaining over 100 members. Pretty stupid to leave a FC with all your friends for one instance that will mean nothing in 4 years.

[Dano]

People get left out are usually the ones that weren't performing, there isn't much OP can do other than make his own static or have the existing static level alts so that he can be in one.

If your FC is really committed to the welbeing of the FC they can level alts, that way some extras that couldn't make it to the weekday coil runs can be incorporated into weekend runs with alts, that way everyone get to do coil at least once a week.

[OPneedNerfs]

FCs are USELESS for coil. Our group was formed from pure randoms who got together it's more of a problem of finding skilled players. Its not easy, trust me, in the process of forming up the 8 we have, there have been MANY bad players who don't have a clue how to play their class yet are decked in myth. If you keep at it, you'll eventually find a group of people who don't suck.

[Vactus]

FFXI experience... Not the most hopping of a resume. So while the answer is technically yes, it's still no

Why don't create a new LS or have your FC recruit for another static? It's not rare for FCs to have more than one group or supplement with LS. Basically you want 9man content or content designed with your FC size in mind.

Complaining that you're the odd man out does you no good. Do something about it. That is really the only useful answer you will get.

[allluckys]

Basically I'll flat out say it they do the lock outs to prevent carries

[Dacen_Drg]

Ill, I don't feel like we left you behind, we've been doing coil for about 2 months, and you just got relic+ 1 about a week ago. But I do agree that the lock out sucks.

I am also making this post on behalf of our FC leader:

Heya Ill, can't post this on my own for various reasons, but I do still read the forums.

As Leader of the FC I'm just going to start off saying I apologize that we can't accommodate for everyone when it comes to Coil. You are correct in pointing out that coil is designed in contradiction to what FC's and LS's stand for. That's part of what makes them so difficult to manage and accomplish.
I will also point out that while our LS does have 80+ members, only about 18-22 people can be considered 'coil ready', and only 12-16 can be considered active during primetime hours. That's 2 coil groups plus a little runover. One group formed around a circle of friends who played well together, my group formed out of necessity. There were several of our members who decided to find their own statics, and that's fine as well.

When it comes to choosing who goes, we want to pick people whom we know are available, are well geared, and know what they're doing. It's possible that people who fit all those categories are left out. That's something I had a really hard time coming to terms with as Lead. I hate it, it sucks, it goes against my personal mandate of helping others. I don't want to leave people out but it's by game design. If we decide to start coil on Monday and get to turn 4, whoever is not there will either have to skip to turn 4, missing out on all the drops from 1 and 2, or form/join another group to get up to turn 4.

So I'm not surprised in the slightest that you switched to a new FC. As the game stands at the moment, FC's and LS's are simply tools for social interaction in the game. If you're not getting what you want out of a group, you find another. It's unfortunate, but you do what you gotta if you want to play Coil.