Coil = Segregation

[Zumi]

This is pretty much how it is in any mmo. Someone makes a guild recruits the number of people required to raid. However they also allow friends of the main raiders to join who don't want to raid but just want a place to chat or hang out. This happens in almost every mmo. Sometimes guilds make 2 or more raid groups if they are big enough and have enough people willing to lead.

[Mireille]

The problem is the lockout. That's what's forcing the creation of inner circles with a FC. I can understand their need to create some limits on content progression, but this method basically forces groups to take the same 8 people in every time in order to progress. It's also problematic because scheduled events can't happen if someone from the static has to take that day off.

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The problem is the lockout. That's what's forcing the creation of inner circles with a FC. I can understand their need to create some limits on content progression, but this method basically forces groups to take the same 8 people in every time in order to progress. It's also problematic because scheduled events can't happen if someone from the static has to take that day off.

That is the main problem.

And my work schedule? Sheeeeeeit... lol I'm better off just shouting and or watching out for shouts.

[Grailer]

The problem is the lockout. That's what's forcing the creation of inner circles with a FC. I can understand their need to create some limits on content progression, but this method basically forces groups to take the same 8 people in every time in order to progress. It's also problematic because scheduled events can't happen if someone from the static has to take that day off.

I just avoid the coil , its a pain when you can make it 1 day then next day work calls and you cant make it . I already have 3 pieces of Lvl 90 armor and that's not from doing coil so over time I will get geared up with good gear , just keep farming those tomes

Easier just to level alts , eventually coil will become old obsolete content . SE has no choice but to keep increasing the item level to keep people subbing .

PvP coming out , might be worth a look , after dodge coil Im levelling jobs like candy .

[KaiserFire]

I'm hoping they will eventually add coil to duty finder. It would be a big help for players who aren't able to meet weekly scheduled raid times.

[indira]

in my FFXIV play time i been solo like 90% of my time and thats since 2010. you dont need a LS/FC to get stuff done. i just got a new one looks easy going but serious, most "guilds" are full of crybabys and say they are not elites but they are and you happen to be in one of them.

if you know how to play the game thats all that matters, no one wants a geared noob.

[Vactus]

You've never played an MMO in the end game before have you?

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in my FFXIV play time i been solo like 90% of my time and thats since 2010. you dont need a LS/FC to get stuff done. i just got a new one looks easy going but serious, most "guilds" are full of crybabys and say they are not elites but they are and you happen to be in one of them.

if you know how to play the game thats all that matters, no one wants a geared noob.

100% solo or using shout groups / DF. And a very very slow process might I add.

You've never played an MMO in the end game before have you?

FFXI... Yes, I have. And never had a problem like FFXIV.

I don't see this as trolling. I think he has a legit concern.

You are telling him to leave his FC in order to join another FC.

He has a good point. The limitations put in by SE on coil does create friction among FC members. If you want to progress on coil, a group must be on the same levels and can't go back. What this means is you can't pick ppl from your own FC to bring them to your level. Meaning, that only a set core of 8 within the FC can participate. What this cause is that those that want to participate won't be able unless there are another set of 8 that can enter. But not all people are on the same level of skill or schedule.

Some can go at certain time, others can't go everyday, etc... So, it's very hard to coordinate a group that has the same schedule, gear ready, and other factors.

For example, if you have a set of 8 that goes on a set day and time, and let's say this group is on turn 4, but one member had an RL event or emergency and doesn't log in that day. The static group, have some choice, they can ask someone in the FC or shout, but what if those in the FC are all locked on turn 5, and some are on turn 1, now those on turn 1 can say they can go, but they are now locked from getting into turn 1-2 and missing on getting gear for that week. Those on turn 5 can't go due to the lock. Now, if the group can't get anyone because of these conditions, then there's no choice but to shout. What if these member missing from the party is a tank or healer, these are essential to succeed in coil.

There are other scenarios, but my point is that coil only separate players, instead of bringing them together and enjoy the game. Yes, this is a GAME, it's suppose to be fun for people.

Yes... this. There's so many variables in this equation and SE pretty much made it a mission just trying to prepare a group.


And the people who are telling players like myself to depend on shouts.. yeah thanks, most times shout parties has at least one player that in the end causes the party to break or at the very least have them replaced.

Some of you were privileged to get into a functional FC, I have no beef with that at all. Congrats! But most likely your other LS members see you as part of an inner circle. In the long run they're going to feel unwanted and become an introvert with the LS and probably move onto another LS / FC.


And if anyone is going to reply with, "oh well, so be it." Then you seriously lack social skills and more than likely have no social life outside of the digital world.

Just sayin'

[Laiyenu]

Some of you were privileged to get into a functional FC, I have no beef with that at all. Congrats! But most likely your other LS members see you as part of an inner circle. In the long run they're going to feel unwanted and become an introvert with the LS and probably move onto another LS / FC.

My FC has 5 people in it, We are the Inner circle! We use a LS to fill our gaps. How are you still complaining? it sounds like your unhappy with your FC so leave it, if your unhappy with your LS leave it, Make your OWN. I know this is a hard concept but here's how you do it, 2 tanks 2 healers , rest DPS (pref 1 mnk or Goon and 1 bard), it would also help to watch some tut vids on coil so you know the basics. There ya go have fun!

And if anyone is going to reply with, "oh well, so be it." Then you seriously lack social skills and more than likely have no social life outside of the digital world.

Just sayin'

Your sounding real pitiful right now, Just sayin.