Light/full Party buff

[yukikaze_yanagi]

Because it artificially boosts your stats based on an arbitrary number, and it rewards people for adding in afks, non-battle classes, and underranked people just to get the boost.


The only "party bonus" you should be getting is the "bonus" for actually putting together a good party that works together and reinforces each others' strengths. Each new member adds his own contribution because of his own personal worth, not because "oh we just need one more person, I don't care who, for the party bonus".

and that's because we need some limits.
The party buff is ok, but what we really need now is this :
1)a level range, so people don't invite rank 1 people just to add a number
2)a zone limit: right now people receive buff even if are in different zones, so a range limit should be in place.
regardless, i don't think people would invite people just to reach buffs.not with a proper encounter with a proper difficulty.

[Rentahamster]

and that's because we need some limits.
The party buff is ok, but what we really need now is this :
1)a level range, so people don't invite rank 1 people just to add a number
2)a zone limit: right now people receive buff even if are in different zones, so a range limit should be in place.

Wouldn't just getting rid of the buffs be easier instead of trying to make a bunch of rules?

i don't think people would invite people just to reach buffs.

They do.

not with a proper encounter with a proper difficulty.

In a situation where you are inviting someone for the right reason (I need more people to handle difficult content), why even bother to have the party buff at all, then? What does it add or enhance? Would the content be less fulfilling or balanced without it? No. it's all the same, and the buff is meaningless.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

Wouldn't just getting rid of the buffs be easier instead of trying to make a bunch of rules?


They do.


In a situation where you are inviting someone for the right reason (I need more people to handle difficult content), why even bother to have the party buff at all, then? What does it add or enhance? Would the content be less fulfilling or balanced without it? No. it's all the same, and the buff is meaningless.

They do NOW, but it's even pointless with this easy content.
Btw no, if new content it's balanced with buffs in mind, it's really stupid hammer it.
I do an example with WoW cataclysm: they released buff for regular istances, then they balanced istances with that buff in mind: that didn't made istances any more easy, it's just a tool to booster your pg for a while.

[Rentahamster]

They do NOW, but it's even pointless with this easy content.

It would still be pointless even with the new content.

Btw no, if new content it's balanced with buffs in mind, it's really stupid hammer it.

Yep, which shows that they could just as easily balance the content without the buffs in mind. The existence of party buffs based on a variable like party member count doesn't add anything positive.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

It would still be pointless even with the new content.


Yep, which shows that they could just as easily balance the content without the buffs in mind. The existence of party buffs based on a variable like party member count doesn't add anything positive.

I suggest you to bring a proper argumentation for your statements: you're just repeating the same things over and over, and they aren't really any kind or reasonable reason. You just repeating "it's sucks, i don't like it, it's better without" without any other base.

[Rentahamster]

You just repeating "it's sucks, i don't like it, it's better without" without any other base.

You're getting that meaning out of my posts? Read what I wrote again. How is balancing content with buffs any different from balancing content without buffs.

It's no different.

If it doesn't make a difference? Why add it in the first place? Especially if it incentives players to add people to their party not because of that party member's actual worth, but instead just to increase the party size to 4 or 8.