Question about the iLvl 95 weapon update.

[Exstal]

so basically if you don't do coil you don't get the i95 weapon which means its going to be even harder to hold agro against players who do get the weapon .

oh well only solution is to not play tank and to just que as healer I guess .

Or tell DPS to chill out?

[Maelwys]

Or tell DPS to chill out?

If I could hold hate over i80 Relic weapons with an i60 Ifrit sword, I can hold hate over i95 Allagan weapons with an i90 Relic +1 sword.
Nothing to see here folks.

[Techro]

oh well only solution is to not play tank and to just que as healer I guess .

DPS also need to do aggro management. Not just the tank, it has been this way since the beginning of time. Any MMO that I have played as DD (except for wow now, tanks get 500% threat boost or something) I've managed my aggro. This game does not have dps meters for a reason. So that you focus more on the skill and less on the how fast can i bang my head on these three buttons on my keyboard.
To the OP. I really dislike the fact that you have to create a long winded post about how a WAR will have +1 STR and +1 VIT over a PLD. Like Kitru said if anything complaint about the DET. This stat generates more damage which in turn generates more dps and enmity. As oppose to the latter which does absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

[PiedPiper]

I...you can't.... but... taht's not how.....

How are tanks loosing agro to dps?

Why do tanks say they need dps to wait before engaging?

Am I playing a different version of paladin than these people? Unless you are two full tiers of equipment behind a dps, you should never loose threat to them. Aggro is a non issue in this game.

That said: I will actually be very upset if there is a 1 vit imbalance between war and pld cus of i95 axe vs i90 shield. It may not sound like a lot, but that's the drive for tanks--to increase their vitality. Its our main stat, its how two tanks instantly compare themselves gear wise. "What's your vit? YES I WIN BY X BOW BEFORE MY AWESOME." Would totally suck if we were destined to loose by 1. Mnk's would be equally qq over a 1 str loss to drg, or blm over 1 int loss to smn.

[Techro]

That said: I will actually be very upset if there is a 1 vit imbalance between war and pld..

I'm assuming you are trying to troll..by saying these things but i could be wrong and if i am wrong, this is my reply.

I did some simple math. 30 points of VIT in attributes is equal to 450 hp. By this logic 1 point of VIT is 15 hp. Warriors already have more health than PLDS as it is, that is their nature. But you wrote that you will be "very upset" at a 15 hp difference. Dude..don't feed the paladin vs war hate man.. its bad for the community.

[PiedPiper]

I'm assuming you are trying to troll..by saying these things but i could be wrong and if i am wrong, this is my reply.

I did some simple math. 30 points of VIT in attributes is equal to 450 hp. By this logic 1 point of VIT is 15 hp. Warriors already have more health than PLDS as it is, that is their nature. But you wrote that you will be "very upset" at a 15 hp difference. Dude..don't feed the paladin vs war hate man. its bad for the community.

You couldn't be more wrong. Warrior does not actually have more health than paladin.

Paladin and warrior, currently, have exactly the same effective hp. Vitality is exactly equal. 20% damage reduction is the same as having 25% more hp in terms of how much damage it takes to get killed. 1 VIT more on the axe would mean warrior now has 18.125 effective hp more than paladin (vit is actually 14.5hp). And yes that amount does matter. I hallowed grounded on twin with 3 hp two nights ago. It is very possible to have a situation where you would survive an attack based on that 18.125 ehp differential. This would be a raw, gear based imbalance, which is just stupid and should not exist.

[symba]

warriors have more base health than paladins, but you can't gift the allagan sword extra stats due to imbalances once newer shields are released. I'd honestly prefer them to just give the shield i95.

[Kitru]

You couldn't be more wrong. Warrior does not actually have more health than paladin.

WAR actually packs something like 8 more VIT than a PLD in base stats. It's technically true that a WAR has more eHP than a PLD in the same gear because of this, but it's not by enough to really make a difference, especially at higher gear levels.

[symba]

warriors have 75 more base hp.

[Urielparadox]

In regards to the shield you get a sword from Ifrit and Garuda, you get the shield from Titan. The only time they are treated as "1" is your relic in which case it's still 2 separate items 1 requiring 1 mist the other 2. This already is an advtage over every other job as far as gear prog. goes. You can get pld to 50 and get half your +1 in the same day. Also a new shield coming from the primals? even though it i90 as it might balance out better in certain situations. How about the fact that blm doesn't even get an i90 shield and the one in .dats is awful(unless you can materia it then it might be usable). You shoudn't be compairing war and plds allag wpns either as they have different gear sets to go with them you should be comparing allag sword + Holy Shield+1 vs cutana +1 and hs +1 vs Curtana +1 + allag shield vs Allag wpn and allag shield. But honestly your complaining because you have 2 lvl 90 shields and a usable i95 wpn where as blm has 0 - i90 shields, specializes in 2 handed staffs, and the i95 wpn is not even usable at all currently