Lightning Fates are a disgrace to the series, and a broken promise? SPOILERS

[Awdogsgo2heaven]

Listen, if you haven't done the fates/quests yet, don't read this, there will be spoilers. (Though honestly there isn't anything to spoil)

THIS FATE IS TERRIBLE.

Basically, there is almost no story involved, and the reason why Lightning is ultimately revealed to be here, is just stupid. She basically comes to Eorzea, says 'Hello', then 'Goodbye', her appearence in FF14 doesn't affect the story in FF14 and it doesn't add anything to FF13 either, basically making it POINTLESS. I don't have a link but I could have swore, at some point or another Yoshi P, even border lined promised not to bring FF characters into this game without a good reason and story to back it up. Well if he did say it, then he sure as hell broke it, because this fate has absolutely NO point.

Quite frankly SE, if this is the best you can do, then please do not bring any other FF characters into this game. When you said you were bringing Lightning into the game, I had high hopes for this content, but now I'm left with bitter disappointment, and from a marketing stand point you bring us ZERO reasons to buy the next FF13 game. Final Fantasy series is renowned for its story content above all else, and this just a disgrace. I was hoping for a real story driven quest line that gave a good reason for Lightning to be here, and a good reason for Eorzea to be involved with her, but we got neither, just some 'throwbacks'!

If FF14 continues this trajectory with adding Final Fantasy characters for absolutely no reason or purpose, this game will go from Yoshi P's "Theme" park, to a "Circus".

Final point:

SE, DEVS, YOSHI, PLEASE DO NOT TARNISH ANY OTHER OF YOUR FINAL FANTASY CHARACTERS BY PULLING THEM INTO THIS GAME EVER AGAIN UNLESS YOU REALLY PUT SOME QUALITY EFFORT INTO IT AND NOT THIS SHAMEFUL WORK.

Lets review:

agreed I was expecting much, MUCH more...pops into this world kills some things and it's time to go..uh?

I know...that's how me and my friend felt after we finished it... I even asked my FC if this was really the last quest.

I thought that it really was a OK event. I wouldn't say it was fantastic...but what are we comparing it to? It's a 'event' so...that means:

The Fair, with the cascadier swimsuits, so now I can run around half naked...sure why not!

Halloween event, um so yea, ghost costume? sure, I feel like a ghost sometimes, no one notices I'm around....PERFECT!

and now, Lightning comes to Eorzea... why does she come again? I don't care, I just want her clothes!

Seems like a normal event to me! /nods

On a side not though? Yes, you were right on this point, it was totally a commercial for the Lightning games! And being that, it induces a slight groan from everyone just like seeing Superman go to IHOP in 'Man of Steel'. Cause well, did they reeeeeally need to do that? um... yes they did, cause it made them money! /nods

It becomes OK after we compare the event with seasonal ones... just sad.

But the fate copied FFXIII so well. It had a start, no story, and then you were at the end before you know it.

But this game had it better, cause Hope wasn't around.

You can't expect much from 13.

I think it sums up the FF13 series quite well. Short, nonsensical, monotonous, and rushed.

If you disgrace a disgrace, is it still a disgrace? :s

I like these, because this Fate basically reaffirmed everyone who didn't like FF13 to begin with (though I personally thought FF13 was pretty alright!). It was a lost opportunity for SE. Instead of maybe getting people interested in the series or the new game, they actually disgraced...a disgrace as they put it?

[yoshikwalla]

I do have to admit - this was pretty lackluster. But all-caps isn't going to help your point. Neither is making this thread, actually. All you're doing is stating that you hated the content. This has about as much weight as the average YouTube comment. How is this thread going to be anything but one gigantic argument based on an angry rant?

I know how it feels to get angry over something something meeting expectations. But this isn't the right way to express it. This thread can cause nothing but trouble. So I implore you - I beg you - to delete your statement and request this thread to be closed.

[Awdogsgo2heaven]

I do have to admit - this was pretty lackluster. But all-caps isn't going to help your point. Neither is making this thread, actually. All you're doing is stating that you hated the content. This has about as much weight as the average YouTube comment. How is this thread going to be anything but one gigantic argument based on an angry rant?

I know how it feels to get angry over something something meeting my expectations. But this isn't the right way to express it. You're going to bring in a lot of people and cause a big flame war. So I implore you - I beg you - to delete your statement and request this thread to be closed.

What is the right way to express this then? Is this not a public forum? This is the official way to communicate with SE last time I checked. I'm a paying customer, I have a right to express my opinion. And your right, maybe my comment will go unnoticed by the developers, but that won't discourage me from speaking my mind.

[yoshikwalla]

What is the right way to express this then? Is this not a public forum? This is the official way to communicate with SE last time I checked. I'm a paying customer, I have a right to express my opinion. And your right, maybe my comment will go unnoticed by the developers, but that won't discourage me from speaking my mind.

In an entire public forum filled with threads about the event, full of people expressing the same thing you are expressing right now, you decide to start a thread of your own so you can vent your opinion in all-caps. I'm not saying you can't start a thread or express your opinion. You can speak your mind however you want. What I am saying is that this is unnecessary, does not promote healthy discussion, and is completely childish.

[Arkghyom]

I do have to admit - this was pretty lackluster. But all-caps isn't going to help your point. Neither is making this thread, actually. All you're doing is stating that you hated the content. This has about as much weight as the average YouTube comment. How is this thread going to be anything but one gigantic argument based on an angry rant?

I know how it feels to get angry over something something meeting expectations. But this isn't the right way to express it. This thread can cause nothing but trouble. So I implore you - I beg you - to delete your statement and request this thread to be closed.

FATE was lame indeed, but FF13 was already lame to begin with.

[Amiantos]

The whole point of the Lightning FATES were to try and gain hype for 13-3. They've sunk a lot of money into the 13 series and it's been a pretty big flop since the release of the first one. Collab events like these are pretty common in Japanese games. PSO2 had a Border Break collab that came out leading up to the Border Break Union update for the arcade which involved fighting a Cougar mech, some furnishing for your room and costume parts for the robot race. Their Lord of Vermilion arcade card game has had quite a few cross overs too. All which had zero impact on story/lore to the games. There's more out there but those are just a couple I know of.

Adding lore/story with this event was never the purpose all it was, was an event to hand out some vanity stuff and build hype for a game.
Here's a link to the pv that showed the collab to Border Break Union when it was announced. Since then they've done a ton of other stuff like Fate/Stay, Madoka costumes and so on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WxwFLC_wCw

[Taggerung5]

The whole point of the Lightning FATES were to try and gain hype for 13-3. They've sunk a lot of money into the 13 series and it's been a pretty big flop since the release of the first one.

True story. 13 sucks so hard, it blows my mind on why they are still making more of that series and trying to push it. The first one, I could set down the controller and win any fight, ever. That's not fun.

[Tupsi]

The whole point of the Lightning FATES were to try and gain hype for 13-3. They've sunk a lot of money into the 13 series and it's been a pretty big flop

Uhm, no - XIII/XIII-2 were successful. Just because you have an extremely vocal group of people (especially western people) stating they hated it doesn't make it a flop, the series idea may have flopped, but the games? Not so much. A "flopped" game doesn't score high with Famitsu since even XIII-3 scored lower than XIII-2 (perfect score) and that's still a 37/40.

Not to mention Type 0 (originally XIII Agito) was probably one of the best FF games, especially modern times, yeah..XIII is far from a flop, but I'm pretty sure people will say "score means nothing", which is cool, people use score to justify other game's success every time

[Jinrya-Geki]

Uhm, no - XIII/XIII-2 were successful. Just because you have an extremely vocal group of people (especially western people) stating they hated it doesn't make it a flop, the series idea may have flopped, but the games? Not so much. A "flopped" game doesn't score high with Famitsu since even XIII-3 scored lower than XIII-2 (perfect score) and that's still a 37/40.

Not to mention Type 0 (originally XIII Agito) was probably one of the best FF games, especially modern times, yeah..XIII is far from a flop, but I'm pretty sure people will say "score means nothing", which is cool, people use score to justify other game's success every time

Score does mean nothing. Cause it's just someone being paid to be give it a nice score.

People should compare the previous Final Fantasy games to 13.

I consider a game bad if two things are bad with it, which 13 had both of. Bad story and battle system.

AI is stupid, casting spells it shouldn't. "This boss is very susceptible to de-protect" Npc spams useless abilities completely ignoring what it's susceptible to. One fight in the game you can't even beat without playing as a character cause they are to stupid to cast death over and over. The ochu in chapter 12. The fight is completely fought for you, you spam X that's it.

The story, pretty sad that you have to read from save points. Vanille's annoying voice didn't help either with her dialogue. Only Claire's, Sahz', and Snow's story was interesting enough to pay attention to. Vanille and Fang had little to nothing add. If that ending didn't involve them they be useless. Hope, whoever made his should feel ashamed of themselves, unless they made him to piss people off, then great job you nailed it.

All the people do who say it was successful makes me wonder if you ever played a Final Fantasy games before 13. Cause it's definitely not one of them. That's like saying DBZ evolution was good because people actually paid to see how terrible it was actually going to be.

[Duelle]

All the people do who say it was successful makes me wonder if you ever played a Final Fantasy games before 13. Cause it's definitely not one of them. That's like saying DBZ evolution was good because people actually paid to see how terrible it was actually going to be.

I will say that from what I've gauged, Japanese players react better to Lightning than non-JP players. Not quite sure why, but there you have it.

Why don't you complain about Gilgamesh too?

I'll speak for myself on this one. Gilgamesh was not shoved down people's throats repeatedly. At the most he appeared without any context yet still managed to remain memorable. That's including his major fails while attempting to make cool entrances in FFXII.