Why not a dynamic myth cap based on number of classes at 50?

[Alhanelem]

Why not a dynamic myth cap based on number of classes at 50?

Because full sets of myth/ilvl90 gear are NOT necessary to play all your jobs. If this was implemented, most people would still funnel all their points to one character (e.g. it wouldn't impact people's behavior). They are increasing the myth tome limit by 50% in this patch which while not colossal should be still be a big help to people.

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Most of the posts on this topic aren't asking for more gear because they can't beat content. Telling people what gear is needed or not is very irrelevant. People are generally upset about the fact that progression on alts is blocked at an early stage, which kills any sense of being able to keep getting your alt stronger. Gear isn't necessary on your main either, but you enjoy collecting it, don't you? Other people are passionate about alts just the same.

Telling people what gear is or is not needed is very relevant, because people are demanding the ability to get this gear for all their jobs in a short time. What I'm trying to tell you is that you do not HAVE to have this gear to play multiple jobs, while many people are acting like they cannot play their second/third/etc jobs because they can't get coil/myth gear on them right away, when that just isn't true. Yes, a certain amount of skill is needed to beat the same content with lesser gear, the point is, not having it does not render those jobs unable to play all game content. "Harder" and "not possible" are two extremely different things.

You know about rolling a new character to liberate your alts from these restrictions. Why is it such a horrible thing to suggest that the armory system works to incorporate that?

Yes, I'm well aware you can do this, and if people want to level up all over again, do the main scenario and everything all over again, and in some cases, not have their legacy stuff on their alts, then that's their perogative. My message to you is that it's really not necessary to do this unless you're such a godforsaken loot#$^%^ that you can't live without having maxed out everything in the shortest time possible. I am personally not real cool playing with people who want to do this to get more loot, because they're potentially taking loot from other people unless they only play with other people that are also using alts.

[Noahlimits]

I feel like increasing it based on the number of 50's would be a hand-out. Even if I had all 50's I would be fine with just the 450 increase. With CT and Coil in addition to 450 tomes, you're at least getting 2-3+ pieces of i80-90 gear a week (1 from tower, 1 from myth, anywhere from 1-4 from coil).. and that's more than fair in my eyes.

That's just my opinion though. So /shrug

[StarMarmot]

Gear your other classes up in DL then, it's perfect gear for 99.9% of endgame.

The fact that most of the people crying in here for more chances to level their alts in ilv90 gear haven't even touched Coil with their main is just :/

I'd be more concerned about the fact that most of the people here that are feverishly defending the armory system only have a handful level 50 alts, if any - and no interest in maintaining them. It's like when someone that doesn't raid complains that raids are too easy.

[Laiyenu]

Damn you guys already run content into the ground, and you're still begging for it faster, just so you can run out of things to do quicker. Whats the big hurry lol?

I love how everyone jumps on the "your doing it to fast/to efficient/wrong, train. get over your 30 minute a day gameplay.

[StarMarmot]

On topic, while not a fan of how hostile the armory sytem is towards maintaining alts, I don't think the idea is too good, since it would bypass the weekly cap for one class if you want. Better have separate caps in some way if you're going to sort this out.

[Nonlinear314]

(e.g. it wouldn't impact people's behavior).

Interesting point, but do you have any actual evidence that it would or wouldn't impact people's behavior?

And if people level another class to 50 just to get a marginal myth bonus for their main, maybe 50 more tomes? So what? They can already spend an extra week leveling a fresh alt to 50 and get twice as many tomes, a second raid lockout, a second piece of gear from CT each week.

My main point is that as it stands there is little incentive or benefit to leveling more than a few classes on any one character before making an alt and leveling other classes on it. It's just a waste of time. There needs to be because as it stands the armory is just a progression trap.

[Zumi]

You can still enjoy your other jobs without lv90 gear. I have full lv70 sets for all my non main jobs from running wp/ak and those jobs are very viable for doing BC if I wanted to use them.

[StarMarmot]

Because full sets of myth/ilvl90 gear are NOT necessary to play all your jobs.

Most of the posts on this topic aren't asking for more gear because they can't beat content. Telling people what gear is needed or not is very irrelevant. People are generally upset about the fact that progression on alts is blocked at an early stage, which kills any sense of being able to keep getting your alt stronger. Gear isn't necessary on your main either, but you enjoy collecting it, don't you? Other people are passionate about alts just the same.

In a system that doesn't bypass the weekly cap for one class in anyway, just allows to gear alts in parallel, if someone wants to grind myths for an extra 30 hours a week, WHY is that such a bad thing?

You know about rolling a new character to liberate your alts from these restrictions. Why is it such a horrible thing to suggest that the armory system works to incorporate that?

If DoHs had a limit where you could only collect and wear your class gear on one of them, while all the rest would have to be geared in Patrician's (because that's good enough for all the content), how would that be? It's true, just as you saying DL is good enough for the combat content - You can HQ every recipe with a 100% success rate in that gear. But it's not fun, because you can't keep developing your classes. They'll just be generic throw-aways that you've already geared to their fullest potential when they hit 50, like your BLM that uses the same old gear you had on your summoner. Your BLM can't gear any more. It's finished right when you dinged 50, or a few hours at most after that. That's not fun for someone that likes to keep developing an alt.

[Nonlinear314]

I am not some 80% raid guy. I am a 100% guy.

I got to 50 on my pld and basically stopped so I could get Stoneskin which turned into getting Swiftcast, etc. which turned into getting A Life of Adventure before 2.1 and I've done it.

Now I look ahead and the grind I just finished, eight classes, 200+ dungeons, 2,450+ fates seems like a walk in the park compared to gearing all eight classes in a reasonable amount of time.

Player A with one character, even at 450 tomes a week, will take 16 weeks worth of caps for relics, that's about four months of capping tomes every week.

Compare that to another person (Player B) who gets four classes to 50 on their main then rolls an alt, say it takes maybe an extra week to get the alt its first 50 due to no bonus then it gets the remaining four classes to 50.

Player B can now get 900 total tomes per week, which is basically a relic's worth of tomes per week. Assuming nothing else, every two weeks player B can complete two relics while Player A can only complete one.

The only difference between the players is one decided to use the armory and the other rolled an alt. As a result the alt can acquire two relics in the time it takes Player A to acquire one. That's two months compared to four months. Player B can easily spend an evening or two grinding it's thm or mrd to 26 or some other class to 34 in the two months of time saved by simply rolling an alt. Player B also gets a second coil lockout and second piece of CT gear on a weekly basis plus an extra 300k from questing while leveling up in exchange for missing cross class skills that can be ground out in a matter of hours and no xp bonus on the alt's first run to 50. Big whoop.

Still not see the problem in these scenarios yet?

[Arkista]

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You know I would rather have more content then for them to boost up Myth tomes even more. Suppose to be 450 after 2.1 that is even to high. That one thing I have an issue with the best gear in the game shouldn't be able to be obtained in a few weeks.

I find it funny that some of the casuals commenting say that things shouldn't be rushed and its our fault for running out of stuff to do. But when I make a thread about raising Crystal Tower ilvl55 requirement to ilvl70 then they all of the sudden feel that it is too much work for them to get all ilvl70 gear. But they aren't rushing content......