Need penalties on people who click withdraw more then once in a row in DF

[Kyros]

Yeah. It really is minor. Ridiculously minor. Absurdly minor. Is ~30 seconds of "trolling" before being paired with an actual tank that sticks around really that big a deal to you? Really?

One time I spend 15 minutes of tanks dodging a queue, on top of the 7ish minutes it took me to queue up as a healer. It's definitively not minor, and it basically tripled my queue time (Half an hour instead of >10 minutes). Yes, the system immediately puts you "next in line", which can still range from instant to 1min per dodge depending on availability and congestion.

Perhaps you've been lucky and it hasn't happened to you, but I've queued as non-tank about two times and I've had this happen on both (One only was 3 dodges). To me this is a very apparent problem, and people downplaying it because it hasn't happened to them are clearly missing the point.

[Astarica]

One time I spend 15 minutes of tanks dodging a queue, on top of the 7ish minutes it took me to queue up as a healer. It's definitively not minor, and it basically tripled my queue time (Half an hour instead of >10 minutes). Yes, the system immediately puts you "next in line", which can still range from instant to 1min per dodge depending on availability and congestion.

Perhaps you've been lucky and it hasn't happened to you, but I've queued as non-tank about two times and I've had this happen on both (One only was 3 dodges). To me this is a very apparent problem, and people downplaying it because it hasn't happened to them are clearly missing the point.

Without the tank doing the dodging your queue would never have popped in the first place.

You lose no time for people doing this, although it gets annoying hearing your machine sound like you won a jackpot in a slot machine for a whole minute.

[Borfin]

One time I spend 15 minutes of tanks dodging a queue, on top of the 7ish minutes it took me to queue up as a healer. It's definitively not minor, and it basically tripled my queue time (Half an hour instead of >10 minutes).

You queue without it regularly taking 20-30 minutes? I want to be in your server group. (One time... Phew.)

Perhaps you've been lucky and it hasn't happened to you, but I've queued as non-tank about two times and I've had this happen on both (One only was 3 dodges).

That's... really not a good sample size. At all. It's rare, it's 15-30 seconds tops most times, and when it isn't, you're still at the front of the line every time. So it doesn't actually affect your queue time at all. It just feels like it does.

You can make an argument that while you're occupied with the troll tank for 2-3 seconds, you might've missed a legitimate tank queueing up, but since every time he (the troll tank) drops queue he also drops his position in queue, that's highly unlikely.

A more elegant solution would be to keep the queue popping from telling you which bosses have been downed in the instance or the time remaining, but punishing people that do this is utterly ridiculous, absurd and will only cause queue times to increase for in-progress groups.

Without the tank doing the dodging your queue would never have popped in the first place.

You lose no time for people doing this, although it gets annoying hearing your machine sound like you won a jackpot in a slot machine for a whole minute.

This post wins the thread.

[Astarica]

You can make an argument that while you're occupied with the troll tank for 2-3 seconds, you might've missed a legitimate tank queueing up, but since every time he (the troll tank) drops queue he also drops his position in queue, that's highly unlikely.

It's possible say if you're healer #1 in position, while troll tank is queueing, a legitmate tank queues immediately after and thus healer #2 gets a group while you do not. However it is also equally likely that you got a group for being in the healer #2 position while the healer #1 position guy missed it. At any rate, legitmate tanks clearly don't show up very often simply by looking at queue time for nontanks, so the likelihood of either event happening is minuscule to begin with.

[Elim]

so the likelihood of either event happening is minuscule to begin with.

And how exactly do you know that? Do you have numbers to show? I could say it happens all the time and have the same amount of legitimacy as you do, since I don't have anything tangible to back it up.

I think punishment for wasting other peoples time when you withdraw from something you signed up for is totally acceptable. In fact they already do that in FF14; if you're the first person to ditch a group you get a lockout.

[Borfin]

And how exactly do you know that? Do you have numbers to show? I could say it happens all the time and have the same amount of legitimacy as you do, since I don't have anything tangible to back it up.

I think punishment for wasting other peoples time when you withdraw from something you signed up for is totally acceptable. In fact they already do that in FF14; if you're the first person to ditch a group you get a lockout.

Because that's how queues work, or do you for some reason assume if your tank drops queue your queue resets?

You might have a point if you had to go through your average wait time in queue all over again every time someone dropped. Do you? I know my average wait time is 20-30 minutes (SOMETIMES ever so slightly longer) regardless of troll tank queue drops.

This is how queues function in WoW, in LoL, in DOTA, every online FPS ever, in COUNTLESS games with queue systems - so what evidence do you have to suggest the queue functions differently in FFXIV especially when it appears to behave exactly the same?

How can he be wasting your time when it doesn't affect your position in the queue at all?

[Elim]

need to shorten post cus of character limit so i snipped this

Did....did you read his post?

It's possible say if you're healer #1 in position, while troll tank is queueing, a legitmate tank queues immediately after and thus healer #2 gets a group while you do not.

He finished that post by stating:

the likelihood of either event happening is minuscule to begin with.

How does he know the likelihood is low? I don't see a chart or numbers. It's possible there's a healer #1 getting screwed hourly by a tank withdrawing. And no, "because I heard it does and say so" isn't enough for me.