Need penalties on people who click withdraw more then once in a row in DF

[Borfin]

This is stupid. You want to punish people for what is a minor annoyance at worst. No.

[AdvancedWind]

This is stupid. You want to punish people for what is a minor annoyance at worst. No.

It's not really a minor annoyance if you're DPS.

[Alkimi]

It's not really a minor annoyance if you're DPS.

Even as a healer queueing for WP, it's like 7 mins to get 4/4 and then a further 10 mins of tanks continuously withdrawing party until you get one who isn't lazy.

[Borfin]

It's not really a minor annoyance if you're DPS.

I queue almost exclusively as DPS.

Yeah. It really is minor. Ridiculously minor. Absurdly minor. Is ~30 seconds of "trolling" before being paired with an actual tank that sticks around really that big a deal to you? Really?

It doesn't affect your position in the queue at all. You're still first in line for a tank that actually queues up for the group, you realize.

You are going to say but then my lancer would never get a group .. well if I get lancer in my group I quit anyways so Im saving you and myself time .

And it's probably better if people like you aren't in the queue at all, you're right.

[Kyros]

Yeah. It really is minor. Ridiculously minor. Absurdly minor. Is ~30 seconds of "trolling" before being paired with an actual tank that sticks around really that big a deal to you? Really?

One time I spend 15 minutes of tanks dodging a queue, on top of the 7ish minutes it took me to queue up as a healer. It's definitively not minor, and it basically tripled my queue time (Half an hour instead of >10 minutes). Yes, the system immediately puts you "next in line", which can still range from instant to 1min per dodge depending on availability and congestion.

Perhaps you've been lucky and it hasn't happened to you, but I've queued as non-tank about two times and I've had this happen on both (One only was 3 dodges). To me this is a very apparent problem, and people downplaying it because it hasn't happened to them are clearly missing the point.

[Astarica]

One time I spend 15 minutes of tanks dodging a queue, on top of the 7ish minutes it took me to queue up as a healer. It's definitively not minor, and it basically tripled my queue time (Half an hour instead of >10 minutes). Yes, the system immediately puts you "next in line", which can still range from instant to 1min per dodge depending on availability and congestion.

Perhaps you've been lucky and it hasn't happened to you, but I've queued as non-tank about two times and I've had this happen on both (One only was 3 dodges). To me this is a very apparent problem, and people downplaying it because it hasn't happened to them are clearly missing the point.

Without the tank doing the dodging your queue would never have popped in the first place.

You lose no time for people doing this, although it gets annoying hearing your machine sound like you won a jackpot in a slot machine for a whole minute.

[Borfin]

One time I spend 15 minutes of tanks dodging a queue, on top of the 7ish minutes it took me to queue up as a healer. It's definitively not minor, and it basically tripled my queue time (Half an hour instead of >10 minutes).

You queue without it regularly taking 20-30 minutes? I want to be in your server group. (One time... Phew.)

Perhaps you've been lucky and it hasn't happened to you, but I've queued as non-tank about two times and I've had this happen on both (One only was 3 dodges).

That's... really not a good sample size. At all. It's rare, it's 15-30 seconds tops most times, and when it isn't, you're still at the front of the line every time. So it doesn't actually affect your queue time at all. It just feels like it does.

You can make an argument that while you're occupied with the troll tank for 2-3 seconds, you might've missed a legitimate tank queueing up, but since every time he (the troll tank) drops queue he also drops his position in queue, that's highly unlikely.

A more elegant solution would be to keep the queue popping from telling you which bosses have been downed in the instance or the time remaining, but punishing people that do this is utterly ridiculous, absurd and will only cause queue times to increase for in-progress groups.

Without the tank doing the dodging your queue would never have popped in the first place.

You lose no time for people doing this, although it gets annoying hearing your machine sound like you won a jackpot in a slot machine for a whole minute.

This post wins the thread.

[Astarica]

You can make an argument that while you're occupied with the troll tank for 2-3 seconds, you might've missed a legitimate tank queueing up, but since every time he (the troll tank) drops queue he also drops his position in queue, that's highly unlikely.

It's possible say if you're healer #1 in position, while troll tank is queueing, a legitmate tank queues immediately after and thus healer #2 gets a group while you do not. However it is also equally likely that you got a group for being in the healer #2 position while the healer #1 position guy missed it. At any rate, legitmate tanks clearly don't show up very often simply by looking at queue time for nontanks, so the likelihood of either event happening is minuscule to begin with.

[Elim]

so the likelihood of either event happening is minuscule to begin with.

And how exactly do you know that? Do you have numbers to show? I could say it happens all the time and have the same amount of legitimacy as you do, since I don't have anything tangible to back it up.

I think punishment for wasting other peoples time when you withdraw from something you signed up for is totally acceptable. In fact they already do that in FF14; if you're the first person to ditch a group you get a lockout.

[Aegis]

This is stupid. You want to punish people for what is a minor annoyance at worst. No.

This could be something as simple as a five minute lockout before reflagging if someone drops three times in ten minutes.

Hardly a punishment, but would discourage people who are deliberately annoying other people.