I'd love this game, but it's not for me due to the "issue" with AOEs

[Alhanelem]

I call BS on all of this. XIV is by far the most unresponsive game I've played in all my years playing MMOs. And this is counting games from China, Korea and Japan (and a few F2P) with pings well above the 300ms mark.

I call BS on your BS. At a bare minimum, FFXI is definitely less responsive. If you don't think so, then you haven't played it. Also it's pretty much impossible for a game you're getting 300ms+ pings on to be more responsive. ~100 ping + 300ms response = 400ms...I've never experienced a half second difference when trying to escape from an AoE. Now, this isn't to say that *certain people / certain ISP*s are having difficulties, and there is a genuine issue there, but I'm not experiencing it. It doesn't affect everyone and there's only so much SE can do about it. Many of the korean games I've played have crap response times but you don't notice at much simply because the client is given much more liberty to say things like "ok I hit the monster" etc and the server doesn't have as strong of a role. However, these games require rootkit-like anti-hack programs like Hackshield to reduce cheating because the client has all the power. In a game like FFXIV where the server dictates more things, you are more limited in what you can do with clientside hacks (and what things are accessible by the client have been exploited to hack and cheat, so that should tell you how easy it is to manipulate information that the server gives the client free access to).

You may want to make it sound like only bad players can't avoid AoEs in this game

No, I know some people are experiencing issues they have little capacity to control, but most people I know aren't having these issues (the people not having these issues are not complaining and thus you won't see them posting here). The fact that VPNs can mostly erase this issue shows that its not really a response time issue that the people having problems are experiencing.

As for waiting to see if this issue is resolved in the update one can do that perfectly well without having to give SE more money while they work on it.

The OP said his sub was ending in a few weeks. He doesn't have to give SE more money before finding out if the patch addresses his complaints.

All I'm seeing here is somebody having one bad experience in a party (He never cited any other examples of him dying lots / playing bad / etc and getting raged at for it, which is really more of a community problem than a game problem) and having a knee-jerk reaction to it.

[Raydeus]

I call BS on your BS. At a bare minimum, FFXI is definitely less responsive. If you don't think so, then you haven't played it. Also it's pretty much impossible for a game you're getting 300ms+ pings on to be more responsive. ~100 ping + 300ms response = 400ms...I've never experienced a half second difference when trying to escape from an AoE. Now, this isn't to say that *certain people / certain ISP*s are having difficulties, and there is a genuine issue there, but I'm not experiencing it. It doesn't affect everyone and there's only so much SE can do about it.


No, I know some people are experiencing issues they have little capacity to control, but most people I know aren't having these issues (the people not having these issues are not complaining and thus you won't see them posting here). The fact that VPNs can mostly erase this issue shows that its not really a response time issue that the people having problems are experiencing.

I played XI for 10 years, so I can say without doubt XIV is far less responsive than XI, not to mention even if they were about the same XI's system handles it better because it's less spam action focused and positional detection works properly. Not to mention XI is an 11 year old game, so having worse issues with XIV than XI (or any other game for that matter) says a lot about this situation. Also, the only unresponsiveness anyone mentioned came from the UI lag when trying to use macros, rather than latency to/from the server. This was easy to prove if you used something like the windower, where windower macros triggered instantly, while trying to press alt/ctrl to bring up the macro palette usually had a very noticeable delay most of the times. So not the same issue.

(And maybe if SE had bothered to give the XI team some of the money they were throwing away on XIV to fix that issue we'd already have the better UI we were promised more than 8 years ago. But I digress.)

Also, have you ever seen anyone complaining about this position issue in XI? Because I never did in any of the sites I visited. On the other hand with XIV it is mentioned practically everywhere a video or a thread is made about boss fights in general.