How botting may Kill this game (even if the game rebounds)

[Physic]

I guess with crafting its a little differently but you can still level just as fast. Surplus and Inventory Space + Synth amount + Shard limit will slow a crafter down meaning they can only craft 1 day for as long as they have those conditions still up. A craft with 10 shards will burn them all out after 1000 synths, and you might be getting 300sp, where as someone who is genuine could control it, do a better synth @ 600 sp and only need to do 500 synths, which takes a couple hours. Thus a normal player could keep up if they so choose.

many people who will bot crafts will also bot gathering, bot gathering in the night, bot crafting in the day, use the money and shards gotten botting gathering to craft, the higher you get, the more money you can make doing it. Its really a nice farmville like game, too bad this aint farmville lol.

fact is it effects you if you take part in the economy, if you dont, it will have less of an effect, but if they fix cooking, and make sp gain more greatly related to difficult fights, or effeciency, people will be buying consumables, which price will be effected by inflation.

[Shampooo]

The large amount of botting has led to serious gil inflation. As a result of this, a large amount of players have well over 20mil (some having upwards of 50 or 100+)

Hmm i made all my money from just crafting and selling stuff, and i have way more than just 50-100m.
As to the argument of new players not able to catch up in money, that holds true to all MMOs, those who made money early shouldnt be penalized because of players who joined the game late and have no money.
Also there is no real need for money. Pretty much everything can be made that which cant can drop off one of the very easy to kill mid rank NM's. All you need to do is make a few friends and ask them to craft something for you. The only real use to money now is to collect it, build a giant money bin and swim in it like uncle scrooge.

[Physic]

Hmm i made all my money from just crafting and selling stuff, and i have way more than just 50-100m.
As to the argument of new players not able to catch up in money, that holds true to all MMOs, those who made money early shouldnt be penalized because of players who joined the game late and have no money.
Also there is no real need for money. Pretty much everything can be made that which cant can drop off one of the very easy to kill mid rank NM's. All you need to do is make a few friends and ask them to craft something for you. The only real use to money now is to collect it, build a giant money bin and swim in it like uncle scrooge.

you made a lot of start up money, Basically as the crafting game goes on, and the market wards get more convenient, there is a real possibility people are going to end up making less money crafting. Many people already look at crafting as ok to lose money. But this is an issue that will occur even if botting isnt an issue.

the no real need for money is an issue of people like yourself, you got multiple crafts at 50, gatherers, you belong to a ls full of others with anything you are missing. This is more about how it effects a new player.

think of coming into a game where the rich peoples have 100000million, and the normal dudes have 50 million. gathering items sell for crap, and you cant make money off your crafts till level 30. It may not be an issue, but its something you have to examine.
one good thing ill say, doesnt seem like normal items are prohibitively expensive right now, inspite of all the money people have

[twinkles]

The only real use to money now is to collect it, build a giant money bin and swim in it like uncle scrooge.

^^You won my night with that, ducktales ftw.

Back on track though, yeah if they implemented a reset (ranks, money or otherwise) i would quit the game as well. While i agree that inflation could be a problem for new players, just as it can be in any game with a mix of new and old players, punishing the player base with any form of reset would be too much salt on the wound.

I was just thinking a possible solution for shielding new players against severe inflation is to put them on new servers and to not allow current players to transfer over. That plus forming some long term way to thwart new botters would keep these new servers and player bases clean, just my thought on it.

[SuzakuCMX]

The large amount of botting has led to serious gil inflation. As a result of this, a large amount of players have well over 20mil (some having upwards of 50 or 100+).

Wrong. People have so much money because the game has been out for 7 months already, R40 leves give a shitload of gil, people pay an assload for shards/crystals/clusters, and there is nothing to spend the gil on if you are already R50.

New players will feel unable to ever become elite or catch up to the huge amount of people that have multiple rank 50 jobs. This is especially detrimental to people who want to play the game as a crafter main, as it will be practically impossible to compete or profitably level up crafts when your server is full of people who have multiple crafts at rank 50 from botting.

It's going to be that way anyways. Bots make it a little worse but if you're going to quit just because you can't be "elite," you really shouldn't play MMOs anyways since there will always be somebody much higher ranked than you since they started earlier. On top of this, gear doesn't make a huge difference as long as your rank is close to the optimal rank on the gear. So if you just buy new gear every 10 ranks you never have to have a new set...and repairsmen work for incredibly cheap as long as the repair ingredient is common (1-2k is dirt cheap).

Botters will essentially be the players who end up with all the elite stuff, since they have spent months botting millions of gil and will continue to do so since nothing is being done about it.

As if elite stuff is only going to be purchasable and not untradeable drops? A good amount of regular players have a million gil as well. Hell, I had half a million gil by the time I was R15 from selling shards and crystals in the market wards :/

Botting is a problem because they drive prices down. They flood the market with gathered materials and shards, making those prices low, and then they are able to buy those materials (or just bot for them lololol) and craft stuff cheap. The problem isn't that they're making millions, it's that they're ensuring other people can't compete.

[Azureos]

lol what i m sure of is that there s an inflation of identical threads on the forum lol

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...highlight=bots

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...highlight=bots

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...highlight=bots

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...?highlight=bot

you ve even create another one about the same subject 3weeks ago, azurimber please use it instead of flooding the forum

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...highlight=bots

there s also a bot on the forum and thats you always doing the same thing all the time lol

[Azurymber]

lol what i m sure of is that there s an inflation of identical threads on the forum lol

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...highlight=bots

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...highlight=bots

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...highlight=bots

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...?highlight=bot

you ve even create another one about the same subject 3weeks ago, azurimber please use it instead of flooding the forum

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...highlight=bots

there s also a bot on the forum and thats you always doing the same thing all the time lol

first: my other thread was asking if people are annoyed. this thread is listing the problems it will cause
second: if there are this many threads and SE is doing nothing about the problem and not discussing it, then doesn't it make more sense to continue to have new threads on it till SE listens? as opposed to ignoring the problem and wondering why the game fails?
and third: why are you making such a huge issue out of multiple threads on an important topic? do you bot?


also to the comment about botters not causing inflation.
You must not have played FFXI when rusty cap fishing and then hyperinflation occured.... The hyperinflation was a direct result of RMT selling huge amounts of gil all at once through huge sales. Almost all that gil was derived from the 100 ppl botting in rabao every day and npcing rusty caps.
Woodsvilles axe went from 500k to 30mil within like 3 days on kujata......
So yes, 100% botting leads to inflation. Its already occured in ffxi and its in the process of occuring here. Maybe not hyperinflation, but guarenteed inflation.

[viion]

also to the comment about botters not causing inflation.
You must not have played FFXI when rusty cap fishing and then hyperinflation occured.... The hyperinflation was a direct result of RMT selling huge amounts of gil all at once through huge sales. Almost all that gil was derived from the 100 ppl botting in rabao every day and npcing rusty caps.
Woodsvilles axe went from 500k to 30mil within like 3 days on kujata......
So yes, 100% botting leads to inflation. Its already occured in ffxi and its in the process of occuring here. Maybe not hyperinflation, but guarenteed inflation.

RMT and Botting is 2 seperate things, if you want to talk about RMT, renaming your thread "How RMT may kill this game".

Botting may be a method RMT use, but even if they did not bot they would still be in the same situation because its a JOB for them, they sit, hours, doing the same shit because its a job, botting just makes it easier just like mule boosting or failingleves.

Not to mention there are probably more people who bot and dont rmt.

[Azurymber]

RMT and Botting is 2 seperate things, if you want to talk about RMT, renaming your thread "How RMT may kill this game".

Botting may be a method RMT use, but even if they did not bot they would still be in the same situation because its a JOB for them, they sit, hours, doing the same shit because its a job, botting just makes it easier just like mule boosting or failingleves.

Not to mention there are probably more people who bot and dont rmt.

this isnt about RMT its about botting.
Rmt = HYPERinflation
botting = inflation

With botting inflation goes up gradually
with RMT + botting, gil is stored and released into the economy all at once which = hyperinflation

so this thread is about -botting- and only -botting-.
If botters sell accounts to rmt, then hyperinflation may happen. that may happen when the game gets good.

[Griss]

Rmt = HYPERinflation
botting = inflation

The game Making it rain gil every time you so much as look at leve or complete a class quest or main scenario mission = Every body swim around in your Scrooge Mcduck sized money bin and have money ball fights.

Now I'm not saying that there are not individuals or groups abusing the system, there obviously are. But the game its self is not exactly making it hard for them. there is far to much gil going into circulation and almost no drains. but it has been stated that were going to be seeing some changes in that department. and they cant come soon enough.