How botting may Kill this game (even if the game rebounds)

[Xatsh]

Botting does not lead to hyper inlfation at all. That is Rmt who sell gil in waves does that.

While botters may get rich, it is the money in the current economy being shifted around.

Example: I sell a weapon for 10k in the ward... that 10k is not added to the economy actully some money (taxes) is left.

So although a botter will make countless millions, it actually removes gil from the game, countering hyperinflation.

Honestly most things in the markets are way undervalued considering the gil from leves coming into the game.

[Azurymber]

Botting does not lead to hyper inlfation at all. That is Rmt who sell gil in waves does that.

While botters may get rich, it is the money in the current economy being shifted around.

Example: I sell a weapon for 10k in the ward... that 10k is not added to the economy actully some money (taxes) is left.

So although a botter will make countless millions, it actually removes gil from the game, countering hyperinflation.

Honestly most things in the markets are way undervalued considering the gil from leves coming into the game.

This is somewhat incorrect. A lot of bots that level up crafting do so by converting farmed items into npcable items and npcing them.
Let me give you an example.

Mrbotter is a rank 42 carpenter.
He goes to the wards and buys 1000 Walnut logs + 10,000 wind shards

Walnut logs are 8000 each and lets say 10% tax. so 800,000 gil drained from the economy
wind shards are 400 each and 10% tax. so 400,000 gil drained from the economy
overall with a 10% tax 1.2mil is drained from the economy.

he can now craft 4000 walnut masks which sell at 1500 each.
that means if he fails none, he makes 6mil.

6mil is significantly higher than 1.2 mil in taxes drained

And thats assuming the botter only buys things from the ah and doent get the shards or mats from botting something like fishing or a job.

[Koronos]

I think the RMT fishing bots are the biggest problem. Take away those and there probably wouldn't be enough crystals to support the non-RMT botters. Also, the non-RMT botters definitely are not getting rich. It takes serious amounts of gil to get a craft to 50 in most cases. (along the lines of 100M for GSM for example, or so a LS mate told me) And once you get to 50 there are not many profitable synths, because there are dozens and dozens of others with crafts leveled. Just my opinion for the most part, but I think people have serious misconceptions about the issues at hand.

[TheVedis]

I think the RMT fishing bots are the biggest problem. Take away those and there probably wouldn't be enough crystals to support the non-RMT botters. Also, the non-RMT botters definitely are not getting rich. It takes serious amounts of gil to get a craft to 50 in most cases. (along the lines of 100M for GSM for example, or so a LS mate told me) And once you get to 50 there are not many profitable synths, because there are dozens and dozens of others with crafts leveled. Just my opinion for the most part, but I think people have serious misconceptions about the issues at hand.

most gear is profitable, you almost never make gear at a loss regardless of what you make
the problem is people arent making uber profit off single pieces, which is what people usualy mean when they talk about profit

i can easily make 20-30k profit a piece, and mass produce tons of easily sellable pieces
the problem is, why do this when i can farm for better profit?

botting is an issue, and alot of the ideas here are utterly rediculous

just report them to the STF and let them deal with it, it isnt our job to be able to do something directly about it as there is NOTHING we can do in all honesty

[Koronos]

most gear is profitable, you almost never make gear at a loss regardless of what you make
the problem is people arent making uber profit off single pieces, which is what people usualy mean when they talk about profit

i can easily make 20-30k profit a piece, and mass produce tons of easily sellable pieces
the problem is, why do this when i can farm for better profit?

botting is an issue, and alot of the ideas here are utterly rediculous

just report them to the STF and let them deal with it, it isnt our job to be able to do something directly about it as there is NOTHING we can do in all honesty

Yes I suppose I was thinking of profit more as it relates to time and effort involved. I made a bunch of lowbie gear at R20 ARM and actually made a couple mil my first two weeks, but its a lot of work and the market gets saturated very easily with such a small player base right now. I agree that botting is a huge issue, and hopefully SE will address it soon.

[TheVedis]

Yes I suppose I was thinking of profit more as it relates to time and effort involved. I made a bunch of lowbie gear at R20 ARM and actually made a couple mil my first two weeks, but its a lot of work and the market gets saturated very easily with such a small player base right now. I agree that botting is a huge issue, and hopefully SE will address it soon.

its not even the botting that is oversaturating the gear market
its the materials market being hit by it(and the crafters suffer there honestly)


yet you still have people stating we gouge prices, make sense of that, we barely make a profit unless its hq