How botting may Kill this game (even if the game rebounds)

[Zantetsuken]

Personally, it wouldn't bother me one bit if they just reset everything when the game gets to the point where it becomes a pay-to-play system.

As a compensation, they should give some unique prestige item to all current (beta) players that gains you an instant 25 levels in the job of your choice.

But I'm likely alone in this opinion.

[gifthorse]

Server wipe, please.

[Rinsui]

New players will feel unable to ever become elite or catch up to the huge amount of people that have multiple rank 50 jobs. This is especially detrimental to people who want to play the game as a crafter main, as it will be practically impossible to compete or profitably level up crafts when your server is full of people who have multiple crafts at rank 50 from botting.

A very valid concern.

Personally, it wouldn't bother me one bit if they just reset everything when the game gets to the point where it becomes a pay-to-play system.

As a compensation, they should give some unique prestige item to all current (beta) players that gains you an instant 25 levels in the job of your choice.

But I'm likely alone in this opinion.

No, you are not; I invested a lot of time to get into the 40s myself, but a fresh start is *right* what this game needs.

[viion]

If they did reset I'd quit lol.

My solution to botters? Dont care about them. If they get banned, they get banned, if they dont, they dont. I never have trouble buying anything, You can make 1-2m a day without botting very easily only spending about 5-6hrs on the game. Boring yes but its a method. And there are probably more methods.

Everything is achievable without gil. in XI where do you think the Peacock Charm came from? A NM (and now BCNM) so go get it yourself if you cant afford it. I got one and didnt spend a single gil on it, just like Kclub, never spent a single gil on it. If new players get but hurt because they cant be bothered to spend time getting the item or making the gil to, thats their problem not ours. And if they're jealous about peep with a bunch of rank 50's, which makes no sense because level botting is much much much slower than just doing it yourself. Which is obvious from the insane SP linking leve gives compared to say going killing stuff much lower than your rank, you dont exactly see people botting raptors.

I've never once in XI felt botting ruined my experience or even felt like botting was part of the game (Excluding HNMs but thats nothing to do with ranking or economy) it was always down to RMT.

And let me say this BOTTING and RMT are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS

[Physic]

Personally, it wouldn't bother me one bit if they just reset everything when the game gets to the point where it becomes a pay-to-play system.

As a compensation, they should give some unique prestige item to all current (beta) players that gains you an instant 25 levels in the job of your choice.

But I'm likely alone in this opinion.

yup you are super alone, i wouldnt mind giving up all my cash, but my levels? naah, especially those crafted levels i earned.


far as botters they cause inflation because they are robots. their are certain tasks that actually generate straight up gil, gathering, leves, and killing monsters, this puts money or items which can be sold into the market, these items have a base npc value. The fact that these robots can do these things forvever increases the amount of gil in the market, it then gets passed around, etc

Far as solving botting, dunno how, people got levels, and money off it. Only an extremely aggresive perma ban system could really dent it. that would get rid of the levels gained, but then they d need some strong gil sinks,
they could have some sinks that are relative to the wealth of the server, but honestly that would mostly hit the poor./middle class people.

It would also be an extremely obvious gil sink.

Best answer, hmmm probably gambling, but there arent that many items worth gambling for.

Yeah gambling is probably the best answer, it produces much less than it takes out of the system, people find it entertaining, and even if the reward is only money, they get to shuffle money around taking a tax at every transaction.

Some other things might be skill based but with fees.

Some of the rewards could be like boosted exp items, which have no real monetary value. cosmetic costume pieces could also work, but they would have to institute a cosmetic costuming option.


But for any of this to matter, they would have to basically perma ban botters, and come up with systems that greatly curtail thier use. because it will only solve things if you can dramatically reduce cheaters.

[Physic]

If they did reset I'd quit lol.

My solution to botters? Dont care about them. If they get banned, they get banned, if they dont, they dont. I never have trouble buying anything, You can make 1-2m a day without botting very easily only spending about 5-6hrs on the game. Boring yes but its a method. And there are probably more methods.

Everything is achievable without gil. in XI where do you think the Peacock Charm came from? A NM (and now BCNM) so go get it yourself if you cant afford it. I got one and didnt spend a single gil on it, just like Kclub, never spent a single gil on it. If new players get but hurt because they cant be bothered to spend time getting the item or making the gil to, thats their problem not ours. And if they're jealous about peep with a bunch of rank 50's, which makes no sense because level botting is much much much slower than just doing it yourself. Which is obvious from the insane SP linking leve gives compared to say going killing stuff much lower than your rank, you dont exactly see people botting raptors.

I've never once in XI felt botting ruined my experience or even felt like botting was part of the game (Excluding HNMs but thats nothing to do with ranking or economy) it was always down to RMT.

And let me say this BOTTING and RMT are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS

botting crafts and gathering is different issue, either bot will get to level faster and not be bored doing it, because it does it while you sleep, and gathering botting generates money.

[viion]

botting crafts and gathering is different issue, either bot will get to level faster and not be bored doing it, because it does it while you sleep, and gathering botting generates money.

I guess with crafting its a little differently but you can still level just as fast. Surplus and Inventory Space + Synth amount + Shard limit will slow a crafter down meaning they can only craft 1 day for as long as they have those conditions still up. A craft with 10 shards will burn them all out after 1000 synths, and you might be getting 300sp, where as someone who is genuine could control it, do a better synth @ 600 sp and only need to do 500 synths, which takes a couple hours. Thus a normal player could keep up if they so choose.

So if a genuine can keep up with a botter, it just comes down to "he gets it done for him while I have to work my ass off", which is just jealousy in my book. There are a lot of people now with full rank 50's on every class or every craft rank 50 and it doesnt bother me a single bit. Why would it?

[Physic]

I guess with crafting its a little differently but you can still level just as fast. Surplus and Inventory Space + Synth amount + Shard limit will slow a crafter down meaning they can only craft 1 day for as long as they have those conditions still up. A craft with 10 shards will burn them all out after 1000 synths, and you might be getting 300sp, where as someone who is genuine could control it, do a better synth @ 600 sp and only need to do 500 synths, which takes a couple hours. Thus a normal player could keep up if they so choose.

many people who will bot crafts will also bot gathering, bot gathering in the night, bot crafting in the day, use the money and shards gotten botting gathering to craft, the higher you get, the more money you can make doing it. Its really a nice farmville like game, too bad this aint farmville lol.

fact is it effects you if you take part in the economy, if you dont, it will have less of an effect, but if they fix cooking, and make sp gain more greatly related to difficult fights, or effeciency, people will be buying consumables, which price will be effected by inflation.

[Shampooo]

The large amount of botting has led to serious gil inflation. As a result of this, a large amount of players have well over 20mil (some having upwards of 50 or 100+)

Hmm i made all my money from just crafting and selling stuff, and i have way more than just 50-100m.
As to the argument of new players not able to catch up in money, that holds true to all MMOs, those who made money early shouldnt be penalized because of players who joined the game late and have no money.
Also there is no real need for money. Pretty much everything can be made that which cant can drop off one of the very easy to kill mid rank NM's. All you need to do is make a few friends and ask them to craft something for you. The only real use to money now is to collect it, build a giant money bin and swim in it like uncle scrooge.

[Physic]

Hmm i made all my money from just crafting and selling stuff, and i have way more than just 50-100m.
As to the argument of new players not able to catch up in money, that holds true to all MMOs, those who made money early shouldnt be penalized because of players who joined the game late and have no money.
Also there is no real need for money. Pretty much everything can be made that which cant can drop off one of the very easy to kill mid rank NM's. All you need to do is make a few friends and ask them to craft something for you. The only real use to money now is to collect it, build a giant money bin and swim in it like uncle scrooge.

you made a lot of start up money, Basically as the crafting game goes on, and the market wards get more convenient, there is a real possibility people are going to end up making less money crafting. Many people already look at crafting as ok to lose money. But this is an issue that will occur even if botting isnt an issue.

the no real need for money is an issue of people like yourself, you got multiple crafts at 50, gatherers, you belong to a ls full of others with anything you are missing. This is more about how it effects a new player.

think of coming into a game where the rich peoples have 100000million, and the normal dudes have 50 million. gathering items sell for crap, and you cant make money off your crafts till level 30. It may not be an issue, but its something you have to examine.
one good thing ill say, doesnt seem like normal items are prohibitively expensive right now, inspite of all the money people have