CT loot lockout and the direction of this game will probably cause our FC to quit

[Trystan]

If you have a problem with *not enough content* - why do you think a "remove the lockout" would help you in any way?

The only thing that would happen would be that you finish the content even faster and after 1-2 weeks you again have nothing to do because you would have all your alts in I-Level 80.

People who play 30+ hours a week really need to play more then one MMO or play a MMO with 2+ years after release. One relatively new MMO will never ever satisfy you... and you should have learned that by now.

[Djeserit]

It would have been smart to make CT the dungeon where you can really gear up your alt classes, and leave the lockouts only on the top end gear, IMO.

People wanting to really play around the job system have little to no way to decently build up their alts.

Mind you, I just started and I'm quite far from having to deal with that; maybe the system will be improved by then.

The system will be fine after the patch. You'll be able to get 3 pieces of gear a week guaranteed. 1 from i80 CT, 1 i90 from XM Primals, and 1 i90 from Myth tokens. 4 weeks = fully geared, more than ready for CT, alt class.

[Musashidon]

It would have been smart to make CT the dungeon where you can really gear up your alt classes, and leave the lockouts only on the top end gear, IMO.

People wanting to really play around the job system have little to no way to decently build up their alts.

Mind you, I just started and I'm quite far from having to deal with that; maybe the system will be improved by then.

eh you don't have to worry DL (the gear you can farm endless) is good enough to do any current content with heck even the extremes won't require anything above ilvl 70 people who complain about not being able to gear alts are just upset they can't get ilvl 90 gear for their alts and like to whine alot.

[OPneedNerfs]

@OPneedNerfs: Your elephant in the room is miniscule because of how long the Released game has been out. Perhaps it'd be quite a bit bigger if we're talking a year from now, but we're not, and there's a huge patch coming right around the corner.

@Reyki: There wouldn't be a story in this game if it weren't meant for people to play at their own pace. There wouldn't be solo content and quests and things for people who aren't hardcore to do if it weren't meant for casual players.

And your point about putting different amounts of time into a game and getting the same rewards? Get real, dude. Learn you some perspective before commenting. Either that or go play a hardcore MMO that doesn't give two shits about its users. I heard Blizzard is more than willing to take your money.

Remember, the first 3 months only lasted that long because of 1 thing, and that is ALL the players in the new servers are new. Meaning they all started at level 1 on 1 class.

Now with the fact that people are either
1) Capped at coil
2) Capped at Titan HM
3) Not bothering with DoW/DoM

with at least 1 class at 50 and having already geared their character, the upcoming content serves little to alleviate the next 3 months until the next major patch.

The game was fun to explore, learn and experience in the first 3 months because it was new to everyone. Now, with majority of players having at least 1 class at 50, the leveling process of their first class, gearing up by re-running dungeons/crafting for their first class, along with the main storyline from 1-50 has been eliminated from their "interesting things to do" list.

This leaves only the newly released 2.1 content for them to play around with.
2.1 summarized has:
1) A Few quests that will be doable only once for the story (might keep players interested for a few days/weeks)
2) Crystal Tower with loot lockouts and maximum 8 man pre-made. (I'm gonna say this would be the same as coil, but easier as it is currently meant to be DFed, should keep players interested for a few days/weeks depending on RNG and mechanics of fights in CT)
3) Housing (pretty much fluff for your FC, anyone worth their salt after playing so long should have accumulated a considerable income. Not really content since it's all gil gil gil, done with housing/glorified chatroom, keep players interested for about a few hours)
4) PVP Arena (This is still a mystery as rewards, PVP skills and pretty much everything about it hasn't been announced. Assuming rewards are good/PVP is interesting, this might just be the saving grace this game needs to tide over till 2.2)
5) Duty Roulette (part of philo/myth capping. Just provides an incentive to help out new players. Still, with the reward only being given out once per day, not really helpful)
6) Pharos Sirius, HM Copperbell Mines, HM Haukke Manor (Same as the quests as mentioned in point 1. Might keep players interested for the first few runs so around a few days/weeks)
7) Treasure Hunt, Beast Tribe quests (Unless the rewards are outstanding, it's gonna turn out just like leves as it is right now)
8) Aesthetician (New haircut, that's all)
9) EM Primals (With lockouts, gonna be the same as coil or CT)

So as it is, 2.1 will be adding fresh content that should last the average player ranging from a few days to a few weeks. This is supposed to keep players interested until 2.2 which is 3 months from 2.1.

even if we take the best scenario of a player staying interested in content in 2.1 for 1 month, it's still going to revert back to an additional 2 months of what the game's state is in now.

The elephant is pretty big if you ask me.

You forgot extreme primals, which will drop i90 accessories (which may become new BiS) and have a weekly loot lockout.

Even if you are BiS now, you may not (read: probably won't) be BiS come next Tuesday.

Where's the information that they drop i90 accessories? I can't seem to find it anywhere. I am genuinely interested if it's true. That might actually mean 2.1 has some actual challenging content worth doing. I've only been able to find this regarding items from EM Primals. :s

[Djeserit]

Stuff

You forgot extreme primals, which will drop i90 accessories (which may become new BiS) and have a weekly loot lockout.

Even if you are BiS now, you may not (read: probably won't) be BiS come next Tuesday.

[Fushikage]

Cancer

You completely forget about the people working behind the Square Enix name. Sure, money is what keeps the game and the company afloat, but if they were only working on money, we would still have FFXIV 1.0 and not the game we have right now.

@OPNeedsNerfs

You haven't even given the new content a chance before making the assumption that you have, and you're not even considering the alternatives that have been shown to us with previous MMOs.

How about sitting down, shutting up, and waiting until the patch comes out to make a verified and logically sound argument about 'what direction' a two month old game is taking? Or better yet? How about shutting up and leaving instead of contributing to the demise you complain about? =/

[OPneedNerfs]

You completely forget about the people working behind the Square Enix name. Sure, money is what keeps the game and the company afloat, but if they were only working on money, we would still have FFXIV 1.0 and not the game we have right now.

@OPNeedsNerfs

You haven't even given the new content a chance before making the assumption that you have, and you're not even considering the alternatives that have been shown to us with previous MMOs.

How about sitting down, shutting up, and waiting until the patch comes out to make a verified and logically sound argument about 'what direction' a two month old game is taking? Or better yet? How about shutting up and leaving instead of contributing to the demise you complain about? =/

Classy. Telling people to shut up when it's a discussion. Do you even realize the use of a forum?

Oh and for the record, I'm not complaining, I'm stating facts. I myself am still playing the game getting everything to 50. However, there are very obvious glaring problems that I have mentioned. Instead of telling people to "shut up and wait", may you perhaps tell us your view on how you see the upcoming content will play out? I mean, if everyone came on the forums telling each other to just shut up, there'd be no need for a "General Discussion" forum now would there?

[BloodPact]

I am very happy with this new way rewards are being handled. Obviously there are others who will dislike it. Here are the two major pluses I see to this system:
1) You have a very good chance of obtaining the specific piece of gear you want. There are 5 pieces per set for each role, and not always is the other person in your role going to want the item you are after, meaning you might go uncontested on your drop. Since you only get an item per week, you won't have greedies spamming those "Need/Greed" buttons. They will have to restrict themselves.
2) Players will be able to help friends, unlike the system we have in Coil right now. Or if one just merely enjoys the dungeon, he can just queue for the fun aside from the "pimp my ride".
I think the mistake was made not on the loot of the tower, but on the adjustments to Twintania. It should have been left like it was before, or even buffed so that most of the people who are past that stage and wish to do nothing more in game still had "content" left.

[Fushikage]

Stuff

Facts don't include vocabulary that infer negative conclusions to content that has yet to be released. There's no discussion behind a circle jerk of users complaining because they rushed through all of the content, and there sure as hell isn't any discussion in complaining about how a game is doing when it's only been out for two months. The majority of the threads I've seen nearest the front page are all bullshit complaints about a young game by people who have no sense of patience.

My opinion about the upcoming content and the content currently released is plain and simple: Sit down, shut up, and wait for the Patch. Complain too much and you'll lose an awesome chance at a great amount of fun in the future...

But oh wait, no one's going to give a shit about it until it's gone right?

[OPneedNerfs]

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I guess it's true after all, losing a few subs won't really matter so long as there is still a sizeable amount of people staying. It's just saddening to see that people are already unsubbing in the first 3 months of a game not because they have reached the cap for content, but rather that they pay to play for only 4 days in a month. If there's a problem for people who wish to aim for the top within the shortest possible amount of time, it's really sad...

2.1 has it's interesting points, I admit that even I'm excited for the upcoming new stuff to do. But the fact that alot of people who we've used to play with simply aren't playing anymore due to them not having anything worthwhile to do because they managed to get to the end faster to prepare for the next higher tier challenge and was disappointed just doesn't feel right. It's almost as if SE is telling players they can't progress at their own pace but instead have to do it according to how SE has planned the rate of progression set.