Wolves' Den, the first genuine player versus player combat in the FF series"

[Aegis]

anyone with a valid opinion knows, if we are talking about what is really PVP in a MMO, real PVP is anytime , anywhere ( no arenas, instances, mini games )

Name one game where this is in effect. No safe areas for new players at all, not even towns.

The only exception I could consider to this is EvE where you can technically kill a new player in 1.0 space but you will immediately be killed. Even then the new player is safe inside an NPC station.

Any time, any where. Yeah right.

I suppose if you count dueling as PvP... but then you are saying 1v1 dueling is PvP and RvRvR isn't.

[Cojika]

Name one game where this is in effect. No safe areas for new players at all, not even towns.

Doesn't Age of wushu have this? I haven't played it myself, a friend was just telling me about it once.

[Mags]

The first genuine PvP combat in an FF series.. yeah, that's what was said about FFXI's PvP system. Ignored, hardly used. It's a joke. Much like this will be. FF fans could care less about PvP.

[Aegis]

Doesn't Age of wushu have this? I haven't played it myself, a friend was just telling me about it once.

Haven't played it. Quick google search looks you could kill anyone, anywhere, but when you got killed by a player who's playing as law enforcement, you get put in jail for a time relative to the level difference between you and those you killed. One of the top results is someone who was in jail for 72 hours (apparently the time stops ticking when you log out) for killing lower level players.

So I guess that's an example that fits Zero's criteria. It's hardly common though, and I don't suppose he would like being locked out for a week's worth of play for doing 'PvP'.

[Parodine]

Even if you didn't count Ballista, there were still instanced areas in FFXI you could 'rent' for a set time period to do PVP in, not sure how that wasn't 'genuine'.

I realize this game is doing the first 4-on-4 official thing, but...meh.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Why not go straight back to FF6 on the SNES, where you could set control of some characters to controller 2? Most likely intended to let your kid sibling or "friend" have something to do while you played the game, but in reality would lead to instant backstabbing the second they realized they could target player 1's characters with that Fire 3 spell.

what does this have to do with anything PvP related?

[Velev]

So far in FFXI the pvp was a joke.

Let's see if this is going to be any good.

Somehow i just can't see that happening though.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

Its instanced set fights. Your playing the wrong game if your looking for PvP

PvP means player versus player. Gtfo

[Alhanelem]

"First genuine player versus player combat." Ballista was trash, and was hardly even considerable to be PvP. IMO of course.

No, ballista was great, only the lack of reward / incentive is the reason for it not being successful. And the new Monstrosity pvp does have rewards, but they aren't worth the extreme difficulty.

So far in FFXI the pvp was a joke.

Again, no. The PvP in XI was not a joke, the lack of reward and barriers to entry were the jokes.

Name one game where this is in effect. No safe areas for new players at all, not even towns.

Technically, the first big name MMO, Ultima Online, had this. Technically WoW has this except the "no safe areas" part (However, PvP can still take place in those areas by consent or if someone of the other faction does something to incite it like staging an attack on a major city0

[Divinemight]

So far in FFXI the pvp was a joke.

Let's see if this is going to be any good.

Somehow i just can't see that happening though.

lol, all the players that doesnt understand how Ballista works always claiming ballista is a joke, but that is after they got their face slapped so hard by the real ballista players.



Have you been face slapped by real ballista players so hard before?