Wolves' Den, the first genuine player versus player combat in the FF series"

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anyone with a valid opinion knows, if we are talking about what is really PVP in a MMO, real PVP is anytime , anywhere ( no arenas, instances, mini games )

Name one game where this is in effect. No safe areas for new players at all, not even towns.

The only exception I could consider to this is EvE where you can technically kill a new player in 1.0 space but you will immediately be killed. Even then the new player is safe inside an NPC station.

Any time, any where. Yeah right.

I suppose if you count dueling as PvP... but then you are saying 1v1 dueling is PvP and RvRvR isn't.