Is there a point of doing something harder than turn 5?

[wlakiz]

I see a lot of people complaining that CT is easier than coils so its not worth doing but is there a point of doing something that's harder than T5?

Lets say instead of giving us CT, they gave us coil 6-10 with each turn progressively harder than Twintania so people don't do anything 'easier'. It took BG 2.5 months to complete twintania, we can assume T6 would take them 3 months to complete and T7 would take them 3.5 month to complete etc, etc.

Is that what people want? Hammer their head on bosses for the next year over grinding newer but less powerful gear?

[Kicoe]

People (or rather, "the minority" as some people like to call us) want well tuned encounters, encounter they can progress on, encounter with new and interesting mechanics that can be considered a challenge (bosses tuned for groups of full ilvl 90/capped gear). To adress your "less powerful gear": a new raid tier (Coil T6-10) usually brings new and better gear than the previous raid tier.

[wlakiz]

People (or rather, "the minority" as some people like to call us) want well tuned encounters, encounter they can progress on, encounter with new and interesting mechanics that can be considered a challenge (bosses tuned for groups of full ilvl 90/capped gear). To adress your "less powerful gear": a new raid tier (Coil T6-10) usually brings new and better gear than the previous raid tier.

Less powerful gear refered to ct. Well tuned bosses is not an issue as bg commented that twintania is perfectly tuned. The point was if T6 is another twintania tuned boss, then people will be stuck on it for another 3months.. That would mean no new tier gear for another 3 month for a minority and no new gear for a whole year for the rest of the players.

[fraeblood]

Wlakiz have you played and raided in other MMOs? Just because the final boss is very hard doesn't mean the whole next tier of raiding will be. It is common that the final boss is much harder then the rest of the instance, and they can give us bosses that could take a week or two with another final boss that takes a month or so and I am sure most raiders will be happy. Heck turn 4 was easier then turn 2 IMO, but every guild is different, and some people find some things easier then others.
So turn 6 doesn't have to be harder then turn 5 to fit into the flow of boss fights that most raiders are use to dealing with. The main issue I think you are referring to is that people in all 90 gear will most likely destroy CT, and some feel no need to even do it. I like to raid to fight different bosses, so even if it is easy, I might have fun doing it, but not everyone feels this way.

[Synestra]

I like to raid to fight different bosses

This. For example i personally like Hydra alot as an tank even if hes piss easy, and then i find Titan HM being extremely boring even tho he is supposed to be harder. So it falls down what mechanics and abilities bosses have, more complex and more moving is always better than hard hitting tank&spank's imo.

[wlakiz]

So turn 6 doesn't have to be harder then turn 5 to fit into the flow of boss fights that most raiders are use to dealing with. The main issue I think you are referring to is that people in all 90 gear will most likely destroy CT, and some feel no need to even do it. I like to raid to fight different bosses, so even if it is easy, I might have fun doing it, but not everyone feels this way.

Yes, I have raided in other games before. However, FF14 follows the 'attunement' pattern that dictates that the next boss tier will be harder (You have to kill HM before extreme, Ifirit before garuda or titan. SE will require people to finish T1-5 before they can tackle T6-10. The only way to challenge people who has finished T5 is to make T6 and above as unforgiving as T5.

This is what people have stated what they want - harder challenges, better loot.

[Orophin]

Yes, I have raided in other games before. However, FF14 follows the 'attunement' pattern that dictates that the next boss tier will be harder (You have to kill HM before extreme, Ifirit before garuda or titan. SE will require people to finish T1-5 before they can tackle T6-10. The only way to challenge people who has finished T5 is to make T6 and above as unforgiving as T5.

This is what people have stated what they want - harder challenges, better loot.

As mentioned above, the first boss of the next tier of content doesn't necessarily have to be harder than the end boss of the last tier; it just needs to be tuned to be wearing a majority of gear that drops from the previous tier of content.

An example would be comparing Yogg-Saron from Ulduar to the three part Coliseum fight in WoW which were a patch apart. Most people would say that the execution required to beat Yogg-Saron was much more complex than that of tanking three bosses with minimal skill sets in succession. However, at the same time it was expected that you'd be wearing a certain amount of gear from Ulduar to tackle the Coliseum. If you went directly from Naxxramas gear trying to take on the Coliseum you were going to be in for a world of hurt.

[wlakiz]

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Isn't that what killed Wolk, coliseum was a complete joke compared to what Ulduar had to offer. In BWL, the first boss's execution was harder than rag. Guilds were having more problems with the starting bosses in sunwell than illidan. But the point people seem to have are that the first few turn bosses are suppose to be loot pinatas to get people feel like they are progressing and that fights should lean towards challenging player's gear over player's pixel perfect skills and reaction.

If i'm not mistaken one of the main reasons it took so long to down twintania was gear restrictions? Having to repeat t1-4 while saving up only 300 myths at a time is a pain staking long process. Esp for the groups who only see the same gear for 3 weeks in a row. With the introduction of turn 6-10 it will be much easier because, thanks to CT more people should have progressed through a least turn 4 but should finish T5. As we wont be missing the bridge gear i80 anymore. Since you will need mostly i90/i80 gear to down tear 5. We already have the i90 gear from myths/coil, so no one should really be under geared when entering T6 -T10, unlike T1-5

No, what stopped people from killing twintania was the twister mechanics that only a select few had figured out.

[Acala]

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No, what stopped people from killing twintania was the twister mechanics that only a select few had figured out.

If it was one mechanic whos to say that the next bosses might be "stronger" but easier to understand making the fight "easier". and how is hammering your head on a boss less productive then getting useless gear... oh wait its not useless its for vanity.

[Skyl1n3]

Yes, for the e-penis's of the "Elites" who want world first/server first/galaxy first...