I agree that a weapon like the KC was ridiculous and did make some aspects un-enjoyable because it made SE nerf certain features, but weapons like the M.Kris or the Joy Toy were not OP, they added an extra attack that helped warriors before they would get a ridill or THFs with their multiple hit attacks they already had, and THF's were not OP, nor were Jugg/Ridill WARs, KC's, however, were.