Why the SCH hate from WHM?

[Aphrini]

I am pretty sure I posted multiple posts where I said I prefer SCH to heal with me. However as stated by others if a SCH goes into a boss fight with the normal I can let my fairy handle this while I help DPS that they would have with trash pulls then it puts un-needed stress on the other healer. The SCH WAS being lazy it DOES happen furthermore I also stated that WHM do it too. Your argument is without merit and unlike most that were trying to be PC I answered the OP question.

[cainejw]

The synergy in 8-mans with one of each is superb, but healing solo it just irks me that SCH has so much freedom to multitask. I have both at 50 so nothing personal, just class mechanic jealousy - often I hear WHMs wish they had a bunch of things SCH has, while all SCH wish for is Medica II.

Yeah, I've never heard of SCH who wished they had Leeches sooner, Medica I and II, Holy, Divine Seal, Regen, and Enhanced Stoneskin and Protect. Nope.

Oh, wait, I have. If you hate someone who plays Scholar because they have tools you don't, the problem isn't Scholar. It's you.

[Fran636]

As a sch I've never seen myself wishing for Medica II =p I'm actually pretty content with Succor. I'll have mine crit for 500-600 so not only did I heal that much hp to all those around me but prevent that much dmg as well

[Kyomih]

I play both SCH and WHM in Coil and high end content and I love both. I never got hate on either or hated one another SCH or WHM.
SCH are, however, harder to play. More to keep track on and more decisions to make that can go wrong. WHM is more forgiving if something goes horribly wrong and easier to react to without having to plan properly first.
So, it's easier to run into a mediocre or bad SCH than a bad WHM.

With that said, I love both classes and I love playing both and together with others playing the class I don't play at that time. The mechanics of both compliment each other perfectly.
Yes some fights are better suited for a SCH or WHM but in the end both get the job done.

So, let's just all play together and keep people alive, shall we?

[Lilysparkle]

Everyone seems to be mentioning occasional bad healers (some in reference to SCH), and it's making me wonder what it is that these SCH are doing badly? Anyone willing to share?

Because I do begin to wonder that this might be a perception thing. Due to WHM setting the bar on raw healing imho, if a SCH is seen to be doing "less" than this, they are 'bad'? ;o SCH was my first 50 (I lvled WHM also, after it), and I have to admit that sometimes, finding the correct balance is hard on SCH. I don't know if I can explain this well - and it may only be something you can relate to when you've healed one of the Primal HMs as both WHM and SCH, for example. :< Should they be expected to heal as well as a WHM in group situations and that if it's perceived that they aren't, they're 'bad'? Maybe they *can* in some situations, but it maybe shouldn't be used to set the 'standard'. Basically what I am saying is, if you're a WHM and think a SCH isn't playing very well, please take time to consider why you think that.

For me, I'd consider a SCH playing normally if say during Titan HM; as just one single example, they are refreshing Succor on everyone all the time - pre-casting it before Geocrush, Sacred Soil during Geocrush, Adloquium on the tank, Leeches on ppl breaking out of Gaol to remove the det down debuff, continually repositioning Eos/Selene after landslides, and Lustrate + Eye for an Eye on tank when necessary. I'd consider a SCH to be playing very well, if they do all of that, and are weaving in Cleric Stance and adding some DPS (during heartphase and/or gaols, or anytime), also using Virus before Mountain Buster, timing Rouse+Whispering Dawn for nasty moments, and managing to Swiftcast+Raise if someone did die.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

I'm weighing in on this thread kinda late. As a white mage primary, I flippin' love healing with another scholar.

Initially, I didn't know what their abilities did and just kinda did my own thing. But now as I'm starting to see certain abilities execute in the party list and learning where the synergy is, it is super helping.

One reason recently being if someone cames back with Weakness or Nophica's teats forbid, double Weakness, the white mage can top off and Stoneskin, but if that's enough to survive an unavoidable AoE, person dies. Working alongside a Scholar, that person lives through the unavoidable and may yet live long enough for Weakness to fade.

[420Psykoz]

The only time I've been hated on for not healing enough I was a blm X.x
That said I suspect you get hated on as sch because either
A)You not healing proactively(Adlo and succor are useless is the shield simply wears off)
B)The Whm doesn't understand how Sch works
C)The Whm is jealous because Sch doesn't have aggro or mana problems like a Whm does.

[sharazisspecial]

Love having scholar secondary healer in my party. They work well with healer. Very glad when i see secondary healer is a sch.

I do dislike the scholars on the forum who say that whm don't deserve any QoL fixes.

[Kyomih]

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It has nothing to do with raw healing power but with perception and understanding a fight and what's going to happen. A SCH has much more tools to keep track off and preparations to make while a WHM patches up damage. As often said, SCH is pro-active healer while WHM is a reactive healer. That fact alone asks for a SCH to KNOW and read a fight well because they have to prevent damage. As soon as you have to start patching up as a SCH you will fall behind and get into trouble.

So, not using the right skills at the right time and not properly managing their fairy.

[Aphrini]

Exactly Kyo, I like to simplify it by saying lazy but that is exactly what I mean and with a good other healer in a pt you can easily get away with it and have it not be noticed. Good other healer being either WHM or SCH, I have no hate for SCH at all I have said it multiple times my preferred partner is SCH. However if the SCH is just going to sit there in Cleric stance and DPS and not focus on the proactive skills that make it awe inspiring and amazing then might as well just have one healer. Either way a lazy healer is awful regardless of class, the OP asked why I would have an issue or what could cause it and I answered. I think the vast, VAST majority of WHM would agree we adore SCH, and most of us prefer them as our team mate in battle. The who is better argument is so damn stale, jaded and unfounded neither is better or both are better depending on any xyz situation.