Can this game stop being a monday game?

[Borfin]

I find it odd so many people point out older games release when trying to defend a lack of content. New games should learn from the mistakes of older games, not repeat them.

You mean like mindless repetitive grinds to gear up before being able to enter raid content at all?

[Azurus]

You mean like mindless repetitive grinds to gear up before being able to enter raid content at all?

Which FFXIV has in spades...tho atleast we were able to play for more than just one day a week!

[Borfin]

Which FFXIV has in spades...tho atleast we were able to play for more than just one day a week!

Wait, so, there's repetitive grinds, but... it takes you one day a week to do them?

What?

[Azurus]

Wait, so, there's repetitive grinds, but... it takes you one day a week to do them?

What?

AK and WP? its kinda all we are forced to do to gear up our other jobs...ya know cause running the same shit on 8 different jobs is just an illusion of content and all. Kinda gotta do that in order to be able to raid :/. But hey atleast we can play all these jobs on 1 character to..not...raid with them? huh.....

[Borfin]

AK and WP? its kinda all we are forced to do to gear up our other jobs...ya know cause running the same shit on 8 different jobs is just an illusion of content and all. Kinda gotta do that in order to be able to raid :/. But hey atleast we can play all these jobs on 1 character to..not...raid with them? huh.....

Wait, what? You don't have to gear up alt jobs in order to raid.

Are you just pulling points out of your butt now?

Calling AK/WP grinds compared to the EQ grinds... That's just flat-out laughable, especially considering you can quite conceivably clear turn 1 in AK/WP gear.

That's right. You don't actually NEED myth gear or even darklight. The bonus vit is just insurance. Get better at coordinating CDs and Adloquiuim/Succor. It's doable, promise.

Really all your points kind of come back to "it's super easy to get into and thus complete raid content", which is true, intended and much better because those kind of EQ grinds sucked. I'm blown away by the people who claim it was fun to farm mobs for 6 hours per material.

[Azurus]

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you have to grind to get that AK/WP gear...unless you are realllyyyyyy lucky :P. Also Id like to see a full party do Coil in AK/WP gear, and im not saying that to be snarky, im legitimately interested if anyone has a video.

also my point isnt to say EQ2 was perfect or even better really, thats subjective. My point is to point out that this game is on par with decade old MMOs, and the genre does not seem to be moving forward at all. thats really my point, all these games are the same $%^% over and over.

[Borfin]

thats really my point, all these games are the same $%^% over and over.

It's funny because that's MY point, and people are complaining about this one as though it's any different.

The issue with this is that this particular MMO model has been successful - absurdly so, considering Blizzard set the gold standard and WHO, SWTOR, FFXIV and countless others have (unsurprisingly) followed suit to try and get their piece of the MMO pie.

FFXIV:ARR took a lot of things WoW did right and expanded upon them. It was a good idea; a very good idea, the game has already surpassed the # of subscriptions XI ever had.

Welcome to the MMO model. Grind X to get Y to get Z. As I said, the only real problem with SE's model so far has been their choice to release a lower tier of content AFTER a higher tier has already been released, and honestly if they really are intending it to be a method to gear up alt jobs for Coil, I'd personally consider it more a stroke of brilliance in-line with their multi-Job single-character model.

I'd suggest taking away from this discussion the following:

- EQ and games with "lots of frontloaded endgame content" had only the illusion of that, nothing more; grinding upon gates upon gates upon more gates upon a small amount of actual raiding content. (Once again - This was a really silly point to try to make.)
- WoW's moving forward with "screw attunements and largely gating, LET THE PEOPLE RAID" was a large step forward and they enjoyed a lot of success thanks in no small part to it, but not all games are able to match the sheer amount of content WoW produces (seriously - they put out a living **** ton of content) and can't really be expected to.
- The game has been out two months and we are already getting a new content patch. It's a bit backwards (unless it's as I mentioned ofc, or otherwise) but it's still a new raiding content patch.

Why in the world are people complaining?

I am just saying there are already endgame systems in place in XI that could have been used but instead we get this junk. I am not saying copy everything exactly but they have the frame work for it in XI, and they could have altered it to fit into XIV in some way. 2.0 was rushed yet again and needed more time in the oven.

I didn't play XI, but from what I've read the only real thing (read: content that wasn't actually a masked gate in reality) that XI had in spades that XIV does not is world bosses, and those came with their own slew of problems (tagging/griefing). My only experience I can compare to is WoW, but I can tell you I stopped doing world bosses the instant I no longer needed anything from them.

Besides: Behemoth/Odin would like a word with you.