Who has a 10 sec DPS rotation guild for BLM and Bard?

[Phantom_Lunar]

Bard rotation for Conflag in my opinion should be spam heavy shot and fill it with Blood Letter while using Blunt arrow and Repelling shot when Blood Letter is on CD. You would ideally want to dot up Twintania before this happens since dotting up conflag isn't the best use of DPS.

[Lecreuset]

Aside from ^ I usually use 2 cooldowns at a time, doesn't matter which ones, from my experience, and I save barrage for when our heavy hitter monk is the one trapped in.

[vQsv]

For Bard CDs, its situational as the poster above mentioned. This is what I do.

I have my CDs macroed and mapped to three different buttons.
Button 1 = Long CDs - Raging Strikes/Blood For Blood
Button 2 = Short CDs - Hawk Eye/Internal Release
Button 3 = Barrage

Slow Conflags - 1 Short CD if a DPS is conflagged, otherwise there is ample damage in my raid to ignore CDs altogether.
Fast Conflags - 1 Long CD (Raging/Blood) + 1 Short CD (use Barrage instead when a DPS is conflagged)

As for repelling shot, I suggest you try and save it for after the fireball target indicator appears during a conflag.
I have been targeted by fireball as I used repelling shot on a conflag and my group always yells at me to run back in.
There is ample time to make it in as I've never missed the conflag as a result, but it reduces the stress on your raid.

[Viridiana]

Bard rotation for Conflag in my opinion should be spam heavy shot and fill it with Blood Letter while using Blunt arrow and Repelling shot when Blood Letter is on CD. You would ideally want to dot up Twintania before this happens since dotting up conflag isn't the best use of DPS.

I'd like to preface my response by saying that I have no T5 experience, and all that follows is basically outside-looking-in. As such, correct me if I'm wrong. . .

That said, the thread title says 10 seconds. It only takes 2 ticks of Venomous Bite -- between 3 and 6 seconds -- for Venomous to be more damage than Heavy Shot (170 potency vs 150); and 3 ticks of Windbiter beats Heavy Shot, as well (195 vs 150). The shortest BLM rotation I see in the thread is 3 GCDs long, which is nearly 7.5 seconds, more than enough time for Venomous to outpace Heavy, and halfway through the window where Windbiter outpaces it, too. Depending on how the dots line up with the server timer, that's actually enough time for your 2 dots to do 365 potency of damage, versus the 300 you'd get from Heavy.

Of course, you could've meant that it isn't the best use of TP, as I'm sure dotting up each Conflag is a strain on the TP. If that's what you meant, then ignore this post.

[Allyrion]

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You might want to take into account that more frontload damage allows for faster finisher moves.
The server timer can work against you as well as for you when it comes to the dots. Add any server delay/latency and the timing might be too tight in some cases.
I can imagine the second dot not getting the second tick.
Working with less than 4 gcds worth of time, I'd be weary to rely on dots. Though the math may favour it for the Bard.

[Viridiana]

You might want to take into account that more frontload damage allows for faster finisher moves.
The server timer can work against you as well as for you when it comes to the dots. Add any server delay/latency and the timing might be too tight in some cases.
I can imagine the second dot not getting the second tick.
Working with less than 4 gcds worth of time, I'd be weary to rely on dots. Though the math may favour it for the Bard.

True, but if it lives for 6 seconds, Venomous Bite is *guaranteed* to be more damage than Heavy Shot, even if the worst possible timing happens. I freely grant that trying to Wind->Venom->Heavy might be pushing the timing a bit much, but Venom->Heavy->Heavy is almost certainly a go.

Of course, my earlier post did fail to account for the gap between using the ability and the dot applying. Even with that, though, Venomous->Heavy spam should still be worth it.

[SleepyMonkey]

For bard all you need is to get straight shot buff before conflag, use a CD or two and spam heavy shot while using abilities in between. For example, Heavy Shot>Blooodletter>Heavy Shot>Blunt Arrow>Heavy Shot>Repelling Shot, also keep the rotation while spamming Missery Shot for fast use at 25% (if you get Bloodletter procs you wouldn't use the other abilities since they do less dps). Bard could also use Requiem Foe after/during/before fireball (depending on the sync) to have it ready for conflagration, and turn it off after it dies.

[neoreturn]

I just wonder how much dmg bard could get in 8-9 sec if all DPS buff ready before conflagration ?

[Phantom_Lunar]

I just wonder how much dmg bard could get in 8-9 sec if all DPS buff ready before conflagration ?

We do pretty decent. For fast conflags I pop Blood for blood and Internal Release and I hit for around 300~400 per shot (I think...) and have fillers in every GCD. Having down turn 5, we have no issues with conflags.

[One__Two]

Why in the world would you use Scathe after Blizzard III for Conflags?.

The very justified reason to use scathe after B3 is the insure your UI3 stacks will be detected by the game client when you cast your 2 x F3. Latency will sometimes cause it for the first F3 to have its full cast time while still having reduced damage due to UI3 stacks. Fitting a scathe in there allows to have a reliable rotation generating a fixed amount of DPS (excluding Crits) without having to rely on fire procs. Assuming you start the conflag rotation with AF3 stacks: B3(swift) -> Scathe -> F3(swift) -> F3(swift) -> B3(swift)-> Scathe. If you need extra for the even ones, replace the last B3 with swiftcast+flare then convert or use megaether hq, throw in an extra scathe if conflag is still up, then you have enought MP to cast B3 on twint and restart your regular rotation.