DF Speedruns

[Seezur_Undies]

Ok, I know this has been addressed before but i cant seem to find the thread so i made a new one.

There is a certain respect you have to show when using DF, and just because you are the tank and it is your job to set the pace of the run, that doesn't give you the right to force your party to speedrun.

Yes, there are people out there like me who have the HQ crafted/Materia'd gear that DF to relax. Hell in the mornings i run to as a warm up to kick start my day and get my brain running. The last think i want is some over zealous tank that thinks i need to be forced into Speedruns. As much as i hate to say it but i have started leaving DF when the tank tries to force one because honestly, i see no point in stressing to shave maybe 3-5 minutes off a run, possibly extending it longer than a normal run would take due to OOM issues because there is 90% of the time either no AoE DD and being expected to spam Holy, no Bard or both. No Thank you. for a Tank to expect a WHM to pull double duty is extremely uncalled for. Now here is where i get told that Healers should DD in dungeons and blah blah blah. True, and I do, when and where it is appropriate, but to be expected to keep the entire party alive, spam holy (unnecessary MP sink when not needed). Oh, i can use food or ethers right? What gives the tanks the right to assume i have food and ethers on me?(i always have mega-ethers and mulled tea on me, but not the point) Again, What gives the tank the right to dictate how i spend my gil (ie replacing consumables used in DF).

This did get me to thinking, are these tanks that big of D-Bags on their servers that they have to DF SRs? Honestly, at any given time on Balmung, i can go to Mor Dhona and there are atleast 15 shouts for WP SR parties looking for tanks. Just saying, you have to wonder why they need the anonymity of the DF...

You can't really force your party to do anything.

That being said, unless you're not capable, I can't comprehend why you *wouldn't* want to speedrun. There is no advantage to doing the dungeon slower.

Ever WHM healed an SR without a Bard? OOM comes very fast when no song happens. or try with a Bard and a monk? No AoE damage from the monk, both taking damage, more cures, one is sure to wipe, i get blamed? WP SR Party Requirements:

Tank: Paladin
Healer: WHM
DD: Bard(for songs) and BLM(for AoE damage)

I know how to SR, and when i do want to, I do it with friends, I dont want to be made to cause the tank is too ignorant to ask if we want to.

[Alhanelem]

You can't really force your party to do anything. If you don't like what some jerkwad is doing, then don't cooperate and they'll either have to cooperate with you or get themselves killed. After 2.1, if the majority of you don't like someone's behavior you can vote kick them.

That being said, unless you're not capable, I can't comprehend why you *wouldn't* want to speedrun. There is no advantage to doing the dungeon slower.

You have to look at things from both sides - they probably dislike you just as much for not wanting to speedrun as much as you dislike them for wanting to do it.

Ever WHM healed an SR without a Bard? OOM comes very fast when no song happens. or try with a Bard and a monk? No AoE damage from the monk, both taking damage, more cures, one is sure to wipe, i get blamed? WP SR Party Requirements:

Tank: Paladin
Healer: WHM
DD: Bard(for songs) and BLM(for AoE damage)

This is a load of crap, I've done SRs with no BRD, and no BLM. (I'm SMN). It's not *the fastest* but the speed run strategy can be applied to many team comps. Scholars can heal an SR just fine, and don't run out of MP as easily as a WHM.

[KraggyKor]

Ok, I know this has been addressed before but i cant seem to find the thread so i made a new one.

Because entering 'speedrun' into the SEARCH box is hard?

[Seezur_Undies]

Because entering 'speedrun' into the SEARCH box is hard?

3 pages of forign language posts, and none about actual DF Speedruns, but thanks for for the obvious advice.

[00039]

You can't really force your party to do anything. If you don't like what some jerkwad is doing, then don't cooperate and they'll either have to cooperate with you or get themselves killed. After 2.1, if the majority of you don't like someone's behavior you can vote kick them.

That being said, unless you're not capable, I can't comprehend why you *wouldn't* want to speedrun. There is no advantage to doing the dungeon slower.

You have to look at things from both sides - they probably dislike you just as much for not wanting to speedrun as much as you dislike them for wanting to do it.

This is a load of crap, I've done SRs with no BRD, and no BLM. (I'm SMN). It's not *the fastest* but the speed run strategy can be applied to many team comps. Scholars can heal an SR just fine, and don't run out of MP as easily as a WHM.

My first sub 15 minute run was with a Scholar, Blackmage, and Summoner and me tanking

[Shneibel]

doesnt the forum just fill with all those SR thread like...last week ?

[BlueMage]

Oh hey! Another thread saying "I hate when people force me to play their way; because everyone should be forced to play my way!"

Its DF. You take the risk or getting whatever. If you want a slow run, or a speed run, or a smooth jazz run, and you get worked up and upset over people not running the way you want, then form a premade. Or, here's a CRAZY idea, when you enter the instance, talk things over with your party, and if y'all can't come to an agreement, then leave.

If you're not willing to compromise, if the majority of your group wants to speed run, or slow run, or whatever, then you shouldn't be in DF.

[yamface]

lol

SR's don't just save you 3-5 minutes. SR's are what, ~15 min? The average df group takes almost 25 to finish. By the time you get 2 wp done, I'll have 3 + 1/3 the next one. There is a difference. Anyway not really sure why people complain about "forcing" their ways etc. The problem with OP is that he doesn't want to appear as rude in groups, so he thinks he is obligated to aggro the crap dps pulls from another room. The short answer: don't even touch those mobs. Let them 3 shot the dps. Your party isn't clearly respecting you, so you have no obligation to do so either. Don't feel sorry that you killed a dps, make them feel sorry so they don't push you around like the way they are now.

[Seezur_Undies]

....Or, here's a CRAZY idea, when you enter the instance, talk things over with your party, and if y'all can't come to an agreement, then leave.

If you're not willing to compromise, if the majority of your group wants to speed run, or slow run, or whatever, then you shouldn't be in DF.

Yeah, that would require people to actually reply when you ask. you think i haven't tried asking? As for doing it my way? If respecting others in the party is "my way" then yes.

[XNihili]

As healer, I won't stress myself if the party can't sustain a speedrun.
I won't cast Holy right away, my first duty is to keep people alive.
Even the most stupid people will realize they can't handle speedrun after a few party wipe.