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  1. #11
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    Taerra's Avatar
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    Taerra Elyssia
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    It's just less forgiving if you (or someone else) makes mistakes or wrong decisions.
    See I felt that way FOR whm ... I always felt that my fairy could patch up my mistakes, then again I did not run coil yet Fairy autopilot + watching a movie is a beautiful thing lol. I find I have to be much more attentive as a whm.
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  2. #12
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    PetiteMalFleur's Avatar
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    Viva Diva
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyomih View Post
    Great post
    Even though, Titan HM is much more of a pain with a SCH imo. Constant fairy placement and a much harder time with stomps than WHM.
    Damage mitigation scholar brings to this fight can't be touched by WHM. I'd much rather see a good scholar healing in Titan than a good WHM.
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  3. #13
    Player NeruMew's Avatar
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    Neru Silverlight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyomih View Post
    You have to remember to place her back if she gets knocked back by landslide and it can happen quite frequently.
    Unless of course you don't place her but I always do

    Coming from a main whm who switched to sch recently, I still feel a bit helpless at times when shit hits the fan without me having any control over it. Such as big spikes on the tank in Caduceus. The hardest thing was to start to trust my fairy (when I am not manually casting embrace). It's more psychological than anything else. I just played WHM too long and have yet to fully trust the SCH mechanics. They ARE super powerful though. Especially with high base crit and good CD management. It's just less forgiving if you (or someone else) makes mistakes or wrong decisions.
    Well, I haven't found the need to place it on obey yet, I mean, I dont heal coil, and it hasn't presented an issue healnig neither Titan nor dungeons for me yet (as in she moves backs on her own if she's on her active stance, and she nevers get knocked off, if she does she flies back up anyway). I kinda trust the AI enough because I am too lazy to "micro-manage" it (specially without macros for pet spells/abilities) and because it hasn't presented to be too much of an issue on that content, I like that she tops off other players that may not be missing much HP, while I can be busy doing something else (or being even more lazy!).

    One question though I have never checked it myself, but does it still cast Embrace (normal heal) while on obey on its own? Or do I have to command it myself?

    Only problem with it being on the active stance is that sometimes (almost all of the time) they waste the CDs xD, but then again, meh. :P I can see CDs and special abilities needed to be timed in coil though, or well, alteast it's obvious that used at the right time could help a lot more. But anyway. I prefer the dark arts nowadays :3 (I've also mained a lot of healers on other games)

    Quote Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur View Post
    Damage mitigation scholar brings to this fight can't be touched by WHM. I'd much rather see a good scholar healing in Titan than a good WHM.
    This is true, though I wouldn't go as far on that preferring part, since b oth can get the job done, and if using two healers a combination of them is best.
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  4. #14
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    Githiun's Avatar
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    Githiun Smallsword
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Taerra View Post
    See I felt that way FOR whm ... I always felt that my fairy could patch up my mistakes, then again I did not run coil yet Fairy autopilot + watching a movie is a beautiful thing lol. I find I have to be much more attentive as a whm.
    This is very true. I poorly timed heal or bad interrupt on you and you're SoL. We have no instant anything other than Regen which is a great longevity filler but regen probably isn't going to save a tank from an Ohh SHH moment. Benediction is our only panic button but can be flawed at low hp because of the animation.

    I always go back to Whm is a Direct healer and Sch is a mitigation healer. Both are great and have serious benefits but are just different. I don't know if you can honestly say one is trully better than the other because we are just completely opposite healers.
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  5. #15
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    Lil Muffins
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    Quote Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur View Post
    Damage mitigation scholar brings to this fight can't be touched by WHM. I'd much rather see a good scholar healing in Titan than a good WHM.
    The regeneration which heals the stomps can be compared to the shield mitigation of SCH, or the... Adloqieum I think it is?

    They're both pretty great! I like having people regen to a point they regenerate more than the titan stomps as long as I throw on a medica.
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  6. #16
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    Lanceton Oni
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    Armorer Lv 80
    Learn to use Regen smartly or don't heal as a WHM, period.
    90% WHM don't know how to play WHM.
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  7. #17
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    Kyomi Dreamweaver
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    https://gametracer.net/?mod=editor&game=697
    Quote Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur View Post
    Damage mitigation scholar brings to this fight can't be touched by WHM. I'd much rather see a good scholar healing in Titan than a good WHM.
    Yup, because Medica2 and Medica after Phase 5 stomps are totally not up to par with succor shields..It's different mechanics and both compliment eachother amazing. But if you mean WHM/WHM < WHM/SCH - I agree in most cases. However on Titan it really depends on how good the SCH is. Most don't throw up Virus before stops in later phases..don't SS during Jumps etc. So you have a much better chance to get a good WHM than a good SCH to be honest. Also because WHM is easier to play in my humble opinion. Or lets say it's harder to play as a GOOD SCH and WHM is more forgiving.

    I really love how I went from fighting for SCH and how great they are when everyone complained that WHM is much more powerful to the opposite. Anyway, I don't want to discuss SCH vs WHM. Both are needed both are good. Both are better in certain situations and both are awesome in combination.
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  8. #18
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    Taerra Elyssia
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    Learn to use Regen smartly or don't heal as a WHM, period.
    90% WHM don't know how to play WHM.
    Can you elaborate since you seem to know so much ? We're all here to learn new tips and tricks

    And yes I know, regen BEFORE a pull is a bad idea, I learned it quickly enough.
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  9. #19
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    Iggi Wunohwun
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    Sargatanas
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyomih View Post
    https://gametracer.net/?mod=editor&game=697

    Yup, because Medica2 and Medica after Phase 5....
    Would have to agree here. I would say Scholars are more difficult to Master then White Mages due to the pet mechanics as well as all the other tricks they have up their sleeves. But I also agree that one isn't better then the other they both provide completely DIFFERENT types of healing. It's exactly like comparing apples (Sch) to oranges (Whm), they both provide nourishment just depends which one you like better. Side Note: I prefer Oranges (Whm). But I'm biased because I haven't leveled my scholar to 50 yet. Who knows I may change my mind.
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    It's not that I forget, it's just that I don't care.

  10. #20
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    Aphrini Vanadette
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    Exodus
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur View Post
    Damage mitigation scholar brings to this fight can't be touched by WHM. I'd much rather see a good scholar healing in Titan than a good WHM.
    Funny I would rather see a good BOTH, Medica plus all the SCH dmg mitigation <Yes,Please> again Yin and Yang people Yin and Yang.
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