PLD Negotiation (Vs WAR)

[Techro]

Though you were polite stating that this would be a mock negotiation, I don't think you have played warrior. They didn't "buff" the warrior, they discovered that the game was being exploited by paladins in a way that they did not plan. So instead of creating an "apocalypse" in the forums, I.E nerfing the paladin. Instead they made the war do "close" to the same that the paladin can do as far as end game is concerned. This is not a time to be measuring tank penis' instead take a step back out of the box. Realize that things must be done to create a balance in the world that you pay 12.99/month for.

[SwordCoheir]

In return: I want Spirt within to have a faster animation time.

That's about the only thing PLD needs, but then again that's a fix that all jobs need especially WAR, since most of their weaponskills have horrendously long animations and can easily be interrupted if mobs are moving around.

Other than that I'd want reactionary buffs like Shield Swipe and Haymaker off the GCD, but that's not going to make or break anything for me.

[PArcher]

I'm going to echo the "The OP hasn't played WAR nearly enough" thing.

Seriously, take an ego hit and go level WAR to 50...then come back and say that WAR doesn't need some of these buffs. You get 15% boost to healing amount at 5 Wrath only and Defiance's 25% HP boost, PLD gets a flat 20% damage resistance with Shield Oath, no stack management required, as well as all the mitigation from blocking. I'll take the DR over an HP boost any day; its better in theory and in practice.

[TaneshimaPopura]

New Vengeance to be cross-able... More imbalance checked...
Overpower to have more enmity... Buff which isn't really needed checked...
Storm Path recovery from damage over a period of ?s... Totally useless on small damage period, trash or as OT...
Thrill of Battle approval with attempt to ask for buff on Bulwark checked...
Approved Defiance which was a no brainer and asked for Shield Swipe leeway... no sure if serious box checked...
Steel Cyclone still useless even after buff and asking for RoH to be buffed to 300 potency... more greed box checked...
Unchained still being overshadowed by other Wrath using skills... asking for Blind AND Potency increase on a 250 potency off GCD skill... bad Paladin box checked...

Well here is what I will approve... to approve the disapproval by most posters and check the box where it says ... "Thank god this person doesn't have the last say or balances game" box...

[ZDamned]

I feel like paladins look at Warriors HP, and add an imaginary 0 to the end of it. We don't have enough HP to survive hits unless we far surpass the gear level required for it!

Twintania hit me for 7800 with Death Sentence on Sunday when our Paladin died, and I picked it up. I only have a measly 8150 HP in a Full party, so if my healers didn't keep me within 300 HP of my max, we were done for.

I can see us working the way we are if Defiance gave us 75% more HP, instead of 25%. But as it stands, We need to mitigate in order to survive.

[Leiron]

All these troll Paladins coming out of the woodwork.
Makes me ashamed.

[DartFx]

You sir, have lost all credibility in this forum and in all future and/or past game forums. To fully support how idiotic your ideas are and how much of an egotistic noob paladin you are I will post the following statement.

You want to get yet another 30% damage mitigation just because you're a paladin. Lol.

I bet you're one of those plds that die in turn 1 from 0 stacks after popping all your cooldowns huh?

[Schmitty]

This is a troll thread right?

10/10

[Reynhart]

Inner Beast
- Due to overall balance changes, HP absorbed by damage dealt will be reduced from 300% to 100%
- Damage taken will be reduced by 20% for 6 seconds.​
Response: Denied. Damage mitigation is a PLD's thing. Keep this move the way it is.
Reasoning: It's on a 2.5 Global cooldown and lasts 6 seconds meaning it can be up almost always. Maybe a 4 second time frame where it won't be up. This move is Shield oath only without having to lose damage for it.

Did you miss the part where it says "Requires 5 stacks of Wrath" ?

The only thing PLD really needs is a boost on the healing part. What's the point of requiring Conjurer if the most basic skill is useless.
Something like giving Sword Oath a Cure Potency+, so that an off-tank PLD can also be a little back-up heal.

[TurboSol]

oh, well, I never saw anything about overpower gaining a wrath stack, just increased enmity. even if.. if you just stood there spamming overpower for wrath, you'd run out of TP way too fast to do any good in any 'lengthy' battle, so me personally, don't see the point in that