PLD Negotiation (Vs WAR)

[Reynhart]

The logic ?
Simple:
Shield Oath effect is reducing damage by 20%. It's basically 25% more eHP.
Defiance gives you 25% more HP, it's basically 25% more eHP.

So, for the same hit, PLD and WAR lose the same ratio of HP, providing they have the same base HP (Which is wrong, even if the difference is slim)

Example :
PLD HP = 5000
WAR HP = 5000
incoming damage = 1000

PLD gets hit for 800 with Shield Oath : 5000 - 800 = 4200 HP remaining HP (84% HP)
WAR uses Defiance and take the hit : 5000*1.25 = 6250 HP - 1000 = 5250 HP remaining (84% HP)

Now, for the healing part, Shield Oath doesn't give any bonus.
Let's say the healer toss a Cure for 400 HP. He need two Cures to replenish the PLD's HP pool
As for the WAR those two Cures won't heal 400 HP, but for 480. Indeed, it won't bring the WAR back to full Life but missing 40HP, but you can't put aside the WAR other means to Cure himself with Storm's Path, or even Inner Beast.

[Traek]

The logic ?

Please read glen7187's post quoting Maelwys. You are wrong Reyn.

[Lemon8or]

The logic ?
Simple:
Shield Oath effect is reducing damage by 20%. It's basically 25% more eHP.
Defiance gives you 25% more HP, it's basically 25% more eHP.

So, for the same hit, PLD and WAR lose the same ratio of HP, providing they have the same base HP (Which is wrong, even if the difference is slim)
But, to recover those HP, healers needs 20% more healing power to bring back the PLD to full life.

Not so simple a caveman can do it it seems. Just look at the math instead of arguing just for the sake of arguing. You are wrong.

[Zoomie]

Blaa Blaa Blaa

No one is saying that shield oath LITERALLY buffs healing done to Paladins. However by YOUR OWN admission healing a paladin to full takes less healing than it does to heal said warrior to full despite the warrior having 20% increased healing taken.

"Effective" healing bonus. Not actual green numbers equaling hit points healed rather the value or "worth" of said numbers. When a healer heals a paladin for 160 those 160hp are worth more than the 192hp that the SAME heal would do to a warrior. I'm not sure how much more clear this can be made.

The entire point of saying that shield oath has an effective, EFFECTIVE not LITERAL, healing buff is to combat people like you who point out that the 20% healing bonus on defiance somehow makes it better or even on par with shield oath.