Please Undercut Wisely

[Mitski]

Or they should banish people like you who are gouging people. It works both ways. A fair price-and profit-is determined by the player base, not the seller. Do I undercut, yes. Why, because I want to free up selling slots and make space for the new stuff I craft. Do I care about the profit, no. Why? Because I don't flip materials I make stuff from scratch. As long as I make more than selling to an NPC, which is 95% of the time, I'm good. I've more than doubled the money I had from version 1.0 in crafting alone, and I'm only in the 30's. There is plenty of profit to be had and it really doesn't take that much effort.

Everyone sells items to make a profit. If you didn't care, you wouldn't sell anything.

Also, this is a video game economy. It's pure capitalism with no moral high ground, so I don't understand why you think making less money makes you a better person.

[Astarica]

Aside from a few items that move in reliable quantity like shards or Fleece, pretty much everything in this game has very little value because the supply is effectively infinite and the demand for it is very minimal. In fact, most of the demand is from other crafters, which makes the whole thing a Ponzi scam. It is imperative to move your goods before the prices spiral toward somewhere around 10Xnumber of clicks (1 gathered item = 1 click) as they already do if you're aware of what's going on.

Also I think people way overestimate the value of '1 click'. I dumped a ton of crawler cocoons and Twinthreads back when they were expensive. I'm sure some guys tried to buy them out to keep the market 'stable', so I just dump another 300 crawler cocoons until the price finally crashed. It actually takes less than 1 click to gather 1 crawler cocoon (because you get 3-5) and sure there's a time limit but it's not like it takes much effort to teleport to East Shroud when you see in game time is around 1am. I know people like to think getting a DoL to level 50 is somehow a valuable asset, but it really is not, and all it takes is one guy who doesn't agree with you to destroy the value of your DoL. There's no way even the entire server can somehow keep on buying the goods produced by a single level 50 DoL dumping materials and the price will crash to whatever that guy wants it to be. Better you be the guy that causes the crash than the guy that's picking up the pieces after the crash.

[Yurikitty]

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You're buying everything? Butter is a level 7 recipe that makes x6 items, cooking sherry can be obtained 10 for 1-1/2 AK runs or 125 tomes. And worst why are people buying you're food? That is a 2 star food that is worthless stat wise right now since no one has the gear to take advantage of this. Insanity!

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So you undercut because you farm to fast? Oh the logic in this. Instead of slowing your farming down or holding on to those items a wee bit longer you screw everyone else on your server out of gil because you what, feel like it, you're just that cool? People like you are the ones that make it hard for everyone else to make a profit. You sir are no better then RMT, in fact you are worse, at least they are feeding families with their back handed dealings, you are just doing it cause you are lazy.

[Raagnar]

I will undercut as much as I like, deal with it. You guys can say im ruining the market or w/e but my pocket disagrees with you. Want to make more money? be more agressive in the market and stop buying mats to flip as its a gamble.

Instead of slowing your farming down or holding on to those items a wee bit longer you screw everyone else on your server out of gil because you what, feel like it, you're just that cool? People like you are the ones that make it hard for everyone else to make a profit.

Do you really think someone is going to stop how they play a game and think, maybe i should worry about others players ability to make gil? when it has no effect on you at all. I could care less if you have gil or not, Im not selling stuff to be cool. Im making gil, not holding hands and praying we all have equal shares in everything.

[Yurikitty]

I will undercut as much as I like, deal with it. You guys can say im ruining the market or w/e but my pocket disagrees with you. Want to make more money? be more agressive in the market and stop buying mats to flip as its a gamble.

You understand if everyone did this like you suggest you would literaly kill the market in less than a week. Honestly did you even think that response through? Oh look you dont like it? Screw you I am undercutting everyone bahahaha... and then everything goes for 100g or less. How long do you think your profits would last then? So happy for you that you're pockets are lined at other peoples expense. Ironically its these jokers that scream and cry the loudest when RMT undercut the hell outta them.

[Tupsi]

You're buying everything? Butter is a level 7 recipe that makes x6 items, cooking sherry can be obtained 10 for 1-1/2 AK runs or 125 tomes. And worst why are people buying you're food? That is a 2 star food that is worthless stat wise right now since no one has the gear to take advantage of this. Insanity!

No, That was if I bought everything I wouldn't make any profit since it's barely a 1k per profit at that point, if I don't It's pretty much a 3-4k pure profit and it sells fast. Much like crafted gear, people will buy it even if you can't hit the caps because above all a lot buy 2 star for the vit bonus. Almost no one buys pre-slotted materia gear even if it's the appropriate melds since people rather meld their own onto it (and usually a less effective build.)

You can't hit 2 star cap, but you still gain benefit from it so it still sells.

[Astarica]

Here's an illustration of why attempting to rein in undercutting cannot work even if you have the cooperation of an entire server of sellers. Let's say hypothetically Darksteel Ore is 500gil on your server. A guy decided to go rogue and dumps 250 ores at 400 gil each, which can be mined in one day but certainly takes no more than 2 days to go at 25 Darksteel Ore per node. So in order to stop this guy you have to buy all his ores first, at 250X400 = 100K. Now that amount isn't an outrageous amount of money, so you certainly can come up with that kind of money with the cooperation of the server's sellers.

But have you ever looked at how much Darksteel Ores sells in a day? I can almost guaranteed you that your entire server won't sell 100K worth of Darksteel Ore in a given day. The amount of money you got to spend to keep the prices stable is almost certainly more than the entire revenue of the said item in a given day.

[Mitski]

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Selling responsibly yields more money with less effort for you too.

...I can almost guaranteed you that your entire server won't sell 100K worth of Darksteel Ore in a given day. The amount of money you got to spend to keep the prices stable is almost certainly more than the entire revenue of the said item in a given day.

I buy 100k in Darksteel Ore at least 1 day a week for personal use. o.O

[Raagnar]

You understand if everyone did this like you suggest you would literaly kill the market in less than a week. Honestly did you even think that response through? Oh look you dont like it? Screw you I am undercutting everyone bahahaha... and then everything goes for 100g or less. How long do you think your profits would last then? So happy for you that you're pockets are lined at other peoples expense.

Yes I did, and what you said HAPPENS if you hadnt noticed, I could be like you guys and cry about it or try something else. Let me give you a tip because you ppl obviously dont get it. supply and demand, if you flood the market and one guy wants to sell 1 thing he will undercut you. By placing all your flipped items up at once you are asking for ppl to undercut you. You seem to be quite the armchair economist. If im doing it wrong why do i have 8 digits? and you are complaining about not being able to make gil lol.

Oh also you cant LITERALLY kill something that is not alive. Check prices, most low mats are bottomed at 1 gil. And selling responsibly? thats a term made up by ppl who cant handle getting undercut. Its fair market not a communist country.

[Astarica]

You understand if everyone did this like you suggest you would literaly kill the market in less than a week.

Your problem is thinking your items actually have value when they do not. When you have infinite supply meeting nonexistent demand, the equilibrium settles at the 'not worth stealing' price. That is, it's equivalent of a price where a pirate is willing to pay for software he could've pirated (likely around $1 or less). And, unlike the real world, you don't get to even try to use stuff like DRM to attempt to put the price back up when you're in FF14. The price simply just crashes.