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  1. 12-04-2013 02:37 AM

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    ispano's Avatar
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    Melfina Amastacia
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Denver_Max View Post
    yes, i agree completely. the healers were spamming medica. nothing i could do about it.
    Those healers shouldn't be in Coil then.... I mean, even if many people were hurt enough to warrant using Medica, the healers should have known better than to let the fight continue. ie they still shouldn't be in Coil.
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    Ryios's Avatar
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    VA
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    Ryios Locke
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 68
    I am the OT for our Coil Static and I pick up the split. When he slits all I do is shield lob him and haul ass to my platform and the instance he leaves me I provoke him and shield lob him again and he moves straight to me, every time.

    But our WHM knows not to cast Medica II and Eos is on Standby until I get in position.

    In other words, during the split the only one who should be getting healed is the MT and you (the OT), no aoe heals etc etc. If your WHM is medica spamming, it's their fault. Or if your DPS all takes a crap ton of dmg to make the WHM have to medica, then it's the dps's fault.
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    Norack's Avatar
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    Norack Sunstorm
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 80
    well im not a tank but im a whm and from what i have seen if ppl die its always BURN THE TANK or BURN THE HEALER!!!!!

    I remember one time I was in WP and i had everyone jump down my throat saying i was the biggest moron in the world and deserve to die cause i couldn't heal through the tank just sitting there and fighting 4 mobs while not even trying to avoid the tonberry stalker and he had 2 of the stalkers on him and appareantly i was suppose to heal through them. I simply suggested that he should avoid the stalkers, and when i said that i was immediately told to go kill msyelf for being a huge moron.

    So my advice to you if u wanna tank or heal, just develop a tougher skin. You will always be blamed. If you dont like being blamed for stuff be a DD from what I have seen you could be a DD and it could be 100% your fault but no one will blame you cause you are a DD, sad i know but from what I have seen so far true.
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  5. 12-04-2013 03:10 AM

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    Nosiahk's Avatar
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    Teepo Egoist
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 50
    Just pre-activate RoH then move it while you shield lob that bastard. If the healers are still pulling aggro, it is them to blame. By the time you reach your destination, you should be ready to pour in your RoH combo with spirit within and CoS.
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  7. 12-04-2013 03:08 AM

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    Sunarie's Avatar
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    Astraia Hornraven
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Denver_Max View Post
    yeah and they still pulled. im a tank, i know how to manage aggro. i do my job. heals just need to do theirs. the game would be less full of trolls if everyone just stuck to their job and didn't tell others how to do theirs.
    No need to get touchy about people offering advice. Most those offering it are actually in the role, so are sticking to their job. Keep in mind that a ton of tanks actually need to be taught, and aren't doing things correctly as well. I cannot tell you the number of times I've ran dungeons on my BRD and had to basically teach the tank which skills to use and when to use them because others kept pulling hate.

    People aren't mocking you here, they are offering advice to make sure you're actually doing everything that you can be doing... which ultimately will make your life easier. Don't be the guy that gets offended by advice, people don't like that guy.
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    Character
    Astraia Hornraven
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 90
    In our Coil runs I (as the MT) move my boss away from the OT after the split. I have enough established enmity that the boss won't pull off me as I'm running. As the OT, it's a good idea to have Rage of Halone ready for the split. We usually have the OT nabbing slimes to keep stacks down prior to the split, with our dps it's two slime rotations and then no more slimes till post split. Once you get to the no more slimes part, it should be easier to make sure rage of halone is active. Healers should not be spamming aoes, so one rage should be enough to get hate, and it saves you provoke. As others have also mentioned, fight or flight is excellent to pop at the beginning of the pull as well.. and of course, circle of scorn (as piddly as it is), and the silence, off cooldown.

    If the WHM is having major threat issues, ask them to use shroud during the transition...and let them know medica isn't needed, and will pull aggro especially if used during the split transition. It may not completely help, you'll still need to be actively hitting the mob to get aggro.
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    Chad Thunderkoch
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 70
    Doesn't sound like it, you couldn't even pull the add away lol.

    Maybe you're not cut out for Turn 1, which really means you aren't cut out for a lot of basic functions but either way a serious re-assessment needs to take place.
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