Thread: 2.1 and us

TL;DR
- PoM is 'okay' +3seconds would be appreciated for better impact.
- Cure III is fine, don't change it.
- Enmity gain from Cleric+Holy too high for damage trade-off. EDIT: Mana costs already massive incentive not to spam! Don't punish us twice!
- Added utility would be nice

PoM is my alternate to Divine seal. If DS runs out and still under-curing, PoM. Only reason it isn't main choice is cooldown/impact is imbalanced. +3seconds?

Cure III is a fantastic skill and I believe it is balanced perfectly.
If I've pulled too much enmity, stand next to tank and target myself using Cure III to heal both of us. VERY useful skill. If people really do hate it so much, potentially increase yalm by +1.

Holy enmity to be reduced please.
Finding it hard to play Cleric Stand DPS (Heart phase, WP runs...)

Doesn't SCH already get haste?

Raise II? Or not because of LB?

Accuracy buff spell? Increase accuracy 10% & Damage dealt by 5% for 10s?

Additional water based spell. 2stone, 2air, 1water.

Originally Posted by UlricCraft

Holy enmity to be reduced please.
Finding it hard to play Cleric Stand DPS (Heart phase, WP runs...)

You should be using Shroud of Saints right after getting aggro and you won't have a problem with WP runs.

Oh I comprehend the -enmity +mana regen component, but it's on 180second cooldown.
It gives roughly 1,000 mana and cuts enmity by 50%.

It costs ~500mp when I've got something like ~4500mp total
So roughly looking at ~11 casts maximum there.

My problem isn't that I'm gaining enmity, my problem is the rapid speed in which I gain enmity.
For instance, a BLM can cast 11 spells and still be sat on yellow comfortably.
A WHM will accumulate red within 5.

This isn't a serious problem, but I think it would be nice to have a slightly reduced enmity gain for the DPS WHM dishes out.
I'm absolutely fine as it is, because it just makes you think more and carefully balance your skills, but quality of life!
The mana constrictions alone are the reason it doesn't work to spam 11 holy, being red also is a kick in the teeth.

Originally Posted by UlricCraft

For instance, a BLM can cast 11 spells and still be sat on yellow comfortably.
A WHM will accumulate red within 5.

I don't think that's the right comparison to make. BLM is probably targeting the tanks target, which helps control enmity.. Holy is AoE so it's pulling additional enemies, not just the tanks main target. Unless you are talking about a blm spamming Flare 11 times, in which case everything should have been dead by that point lol

Sounds like your tank may need more AoE theat vs single target threat

I don't think that's the issue.
Flash spamming aoe comp I find tank does alright when I don't join in with DPS, but when I start spamming I start accumulating enmity fast.

Will have a go tonight and test a little bit more, but I 'feel' like Holy earns a hefty amount more enmity than it should.

Originally Posted by Ghishlain

so its entirely possible the added effect of Stun on Holy can also so something similar, broadcasting the reported "enmity" boost that people discuss.

That's interesting because I've stolen hate as DRG stunning targets for the tank before.. Least it seemed like it was related to the stun.

With as powerful as Holy is I personally do not mind the high level of hate, not to mention if you Aint dyin you Aint tryin right ? Right??

I personally would rather Holy and take agro then not and let a dps take agro. I can control how much hp I have. I know how hard I'm getting hit. And if I haven't holy'd too much I can always hit them again to give another stun.

I do think Pld's AoE threat is seriously under-powered. If you're 100% full on mana it's not hard but chain pulling multiple mobs drains mana hardcore thats when I lose threat to Blm's