Quote Originally Posted by Nathanmg View Post
But being able to cater for this situation is more beneficial than having a tad more health as a healer imo, especially considering if you're at relic +1 coil is where all your progress is being made. Not to mention 30 hp PER cast adds up pretty quick and could mean a difference of a few hundred hp when it's needed.

If you have enough health for titan as a non tank you have enough health for coil imo.
I very much disagree with the bolded. 30 hp a cast doesn't really add up well, for two reasons:

A) Heals (and damage) are a sizable fraction of the tank's hp pool (from 15-60% depending on which heal and which cooldowns). If I can top off the tank in three casts, the extra 50 hp/cast from a +1 Cure 2 vs. a regular relic Cure 2 doesn't allow me any extra mana efficiency via fewer casts nor does it allow me to heal more, since the tank will be at full anyway. If I'm letting the tank sit at under 100% hp for any sizable length of time (in order to convert the extra healing power into mp savings), then either I could heal it with any weapon because it's an easy fight, or I'm tempting fate because...

B) Enemy damage comes in chunks rather than continually. If Twintania hit for 2000-3000 every few seconds and did nothing else, 30 hp/cast would be super, because it would mean you could just use less cure 2 and more regular cure and save tons of mp over the course of a fight. Twintania doesn't do that. Instead it hits for 1-2k every few seconds, with Plummets for 3-4k and Death Sentences for 5-7k. Those spikes are what kills tanks, not the death of a thousand cuts brought on by auto-attacks, and those spikes come too often to leave your tank at less than full hp for long enough for the extra 30-50 hp per cast to work their magic in either throughput or mp efficiency.

The places where Thyrus +1 really does shine are in instances with REALLY high sustained damage, such that you are only prolonging death and it allows you to keep the tank/raid up longer (think turn 4 enrage); fairly low but sustained damage where it might save you a few GCDs and some mp over the course of the fight, because you can leverage the additional throughput via Medica 2 (Think Turn 2 ADS); or for doing damage, where it is far and away the best item you can get.

Also, enough hp for titan is nowhere near enough hp for coil Turn 5. You might be able to cheat a bit via food and stoneskin (as sharaz says) but you still need to have SOME base hp to work off of.